| ▲ | Kwpolska 3 hours ago |
| Why would anyone still use PayPal after so many cases of accounts being banned and funds being frozen for no reason, and all the other terrible stuff they've done? |
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| ▲ | dewey 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Easy to say when you are in a country where you have a lot of options. There's some countries with very bad financial sector where your option is PayPal or Western Union as the local banks don't know how to do international transfers, Remitly doesn't support all countries and Wise also doesn't work. PayPal works, even if they charge fees. |
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| ▲ | cloudie78 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Which countries have local banks that don’t know how to do international transfers? | | |
| ▲ | dewey 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | We were having a lot of problems with that in Honduras, staff in the branch did not know how to do that, fees are extremely high and sometimes the bank system is just offline and you get sent home. There's a reason all these alternatives like Western Union etc. exist for this remittance use case. It was a big reality check for me usually living in Germany and having access to a lot of banks and modern neo-banks. | |
| ▲ | kalleboo 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | My local banks know how to international transfers but I have to go into a bank office and fill out a paper form. Receiving international transfers they call and ask if I wish to accept it, if I can't answer the phone right then the transfer gets delayed. If the sender does not include my middle name, I have to come into the office and sign an affidavit that this person with this different name is also me. Each time. | | |
| ▲ | cloudie78 39 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Thank you for sharing your experience. I don’t know what your local banks are and what country you’re talking about. | | |
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| ▲ | DemetriousJones 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I simply use it as an intermediary between my bank and any website I don't fully trust |
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| ▲ | fg137 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I use "virtual card" for those needs. For me, it doesn't justify bringing out PayPal | | |
| ▲ | dylan604 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I've had to use it when my bank's purchase limits did not allow for card (virtual or real), but the same purchase was allowed when going through PayPal. It was annoying AF, but was much faster than contacting my bank and getting permission to spend my money. | | |
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| ▲ | rciorba 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Critical mass? I had to start using it after moving to Germany, because everyone else expects you to use it. One of the ladies at daycare is leaving? Here's a paypal link to chip in for a good-bye present. Split a take-out order with a German friend, but he paid? Here's his paypal to send him your share. It's just assumed that everyone has paypal over here... |
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| ▲ | OroPla an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | As a German that never has encountered PayPal in the wild and doesn't have a Paypal account either, your narration requires elaboration to be believable. | |
| ▲ | cloudie78 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Time to start heralding change you want to see. Offer Wero instead. It’s really simple. | |
| ▲ | iammrpayments 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Thought they use Sepa | | |
| ▲ | mr_mitm 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I wish. The small inconvenience of putting in an IBAN and a matching name instead of just an email address is already enough for many people to default to paypal. Just happened to me again yesterday, the guy preferred to bring cash next time we see each other instead of just receiving my info via text. | |
| ▲ | rciorba 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Sepa is how my kid's daycare debits me each month, or how I transfer money to other accounts (most bills are direct-debit, but sometimes I get a one-off invoice and I have to transfer the money myself). But for the small person-to-person type thing, paypal is the defacto here (sadly). | |
| ▲ | netsharc 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | SEPA uses your IBAN (account number), and one can also enter this account number for payment, implicitly allowing the store to withdraw money from it... | | |
| ▲ | c7b 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You must be referring to SEPA Direct Debit, which would be very risky to use to siphon funds. There's an 8 week no-questions-asked refund policy, 13 months for unauthorized transactions, if the payment fails (eg due to insufficient balance), the payee is charged a non-refundable cancelation fee. [0] And that's all separate from any legal troubles for fraudulent charges. I don't know why Germans use PayPal over SEPA, but I'd be surprised if SEPA Direct Debit was the reason. [0] https://www.europeanpaymentscouncil.eu/what-we-do/sepa-direc... | |
| ▲ | crote 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | IBANs aren't secret, they have the same level of confidentiality as your address or birth date. One-off SEPA Direct Debit is virtually unheard of, recurring payments are a bit more common but usually involve a €0,01 payment to prove ownership of the account. The transactions are also trivial to undo, and can only be initiated by companies. So no, "IBAN fraud" isn't a thing in practice. You can safely share your IBAN with your friends for instant free wire transfers. | |
| ▲ | fuzzy2 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Well yes. But just in case this wasn't clear: this is a crime, and you will get your money back in most cases. It's on the merchant to ensure a Direct Debit Mandate is actually valid. | |
| ▲ | master-lincoln 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I do not think it is possible to withdraw money having only an IBAN.
It would need a SEPA direct debit mandate for my bank to accept the transfer request. | |
| ▲ | skinfaxi 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That sounds like the same info on a check, which people hand out freely. I'm probably misunderstanding. |
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| ▲ | vlyan 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| because global-ish exchange of goods and services for money is a deliberately convoluted experience that only a handful of well-connected entities are allowed to facilitate, which enables each and every one of them to put "we reserve the right to fuck you in the ass for any or no reason" in their ToS. |
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