| ▲ | wat10000 a day ago |
| Just how many people are being born through birth tourism and end up claiming more in welfare than they pay in taxes? |
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| ▲ | zzrrt a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| I think birth tourism is an overblown fear, but I suppose their answer is that poor welfare sponges and rich-ish passport collectors are both threats, for different reasons. |
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| ▲ | strenholme 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Very few. 0.5% to 0.7% of all births. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn9nz5qwl8jo |
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| ▲ | wat10000 14 hours ago | parent [-] | | Note that this is an expansive estimate from an anti-immigration think tank that attempts to count all births to non-citizen mothers who were no longer in the US at some vague point in time afterwards. It does not distinguish between birth tourists attempting to get citizenship for their baby, non-resident mothers who just happened to be here when they gave birth but had no specific intent to get citizenship for their baby, and residents who moved away. And that is an estimate of the total number of birth tourists, so the number who end up claiming more welfare than they pay into the system is going to be some fraction of that. |
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| ▲ | budman1 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Minimal. In the hundreds vs H1b with the tens of thousands. |
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| ▲ | unselect5917 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | throwaway85825 a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Many don't bother coming back but the ones the do are almost always very expensive. |
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| ▲ | wat10000 a day ago | parent [-] | | How many, how expensive, and how much is this offset by others who come back and pay taxes? I have seen a lot of freakouts about birth tourism since the recent SCOTUS ruling and I haven’t seen anyone give even the most cursory overview of the actual scale of the supposed problem. It’s purely an emotional reaction. | | |
| ▲ | throwaway85825 a day ago | parent [-] | | Usually birth tourism is done by wealthier foreigners but that foreign wealth is not visible to the government so they end up qualifying for welfare. | | |
| ▲ | zzrrt a day ago | parent | next [-] | | What kind of welfare? Do you have stats or stories? I'm skeptical someone wealthy would slum it for the peanuts they could get from welfare fraud. Or if they do, surely there are ways wealthy "real Americans" could hide their money just as easily and defraud welfare, so this isn't really a problem specific to birth tourism. | | |
| ▲ | throwaway85825 a day ago | parent [-] | | Hard for Americans to hide their assets in america. Land ownership is usually public. | | |
| ▲ | zzrrt a day ago | parent [-] | | They can do whatever you presume the rich birth tourist does, like deposit in foreign banks, not own US land, obfuscate land ownership through trusts or straw owners. | | |
| ▲ | throwaway85825 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | Most Americans like owning their home. | | |
| ▲ | zzrrt 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | One of my ideas was a way to fraudulently get most of the benefits of home ownership while hiding it; why wouldn't a rich dishonest Real American do that? Pride? So you think all children of wealthy birth tourists have no pride? It appears your argument is that foreigners are greedy, lazy, fraudulent, exploitative, and shameless, but Real Americans never stoop that low. Again, do you have statistics on this, or is just kind of a feeling? | | |
| ▲ | throwaway85825 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's just not viable if you have a mortgage and insurance. There's also FinCEN reporting though temporarily suspended. I get the feeling you dont have any experience dealing with these bureaucracies. Otherwise you wouldn't be so flippant. | | |
| ▲ | wat10000 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | How do these wealthy welfare queen birth tourism beneficiaries manage it? | | |
| ▲ | throwaway85825 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | By having their assets overseas. You're going in circles now. | | |
| ▲ | zzrrt 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | Both classes of people are American citizens, subject to the same laws and reporting. Why would one be able to hide assets overseas and the other not? If your answer is dual citizenship giving them access to banks abroad, a wealthy American can buy another citizenship. There is nothing to stop them from just not owning a mortgage or house, since that is the thing you say will catch them. |
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| ▲ | aveao 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Are wealthy foreigners really coming to the US and deciding to live a lifestyle of food stamps and welfare checks, rather than utilizing said wealth? | | |
| ▲ | zzrrt 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This conversation is reminding me of arguments about non-citizens voting, or assaults committed by trans fakers in bathrooms. Both have probably happened, as some weird wealthy dual citizen has probably decided to live on food stamps at least once. But I'd bet all of them are so rare they round to zero compared to the general rates of election tampering, sexual assaults, and welfare fraud, which are perpetrated by any other group than the minority being accused in each case. | | |
| ▲ | wat10000 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | If people can’t tell me how prevalent it is, then I’ll assume it’s pretty much nothing. |
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| ▲ | throwaway85825 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Of course, everyone likes free stuff. |
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| ▲ | wat10000 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | That doesn’t answer my questions at all. |
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