I think we need to have a little more sympathy for GitHub. You could justify the jabs when we could all blame any outage on the migration to Azure, but then they shared numbers around the scale they're dealing with now that everyone is constantly building and pushing with AI.

I think it's commendable that they're not limiting access to the site or (intentionally) throttling newcomers. Yes, they need to get this figured out, but a little sympathy goes a long way. I personally wish them the best and hope their on-call people can go back to getting normal amounts of sleep soon.

Sympathy? It's a Microsoft company that is being ran with a consistency of a startup in early seed rounds. Their downtime is abhorrent and unacceptable as far as enterprise goes. Their engineers look like absolute amateurs allowing for such low class work it results in their customers experiencing industry leading downtime.

I think somewhere down the line you have an answer to problem itself. Its for a while that companies are not into the business of sympathies, we should probably not get into that side for the topic.

1. Github has enterprise users who paid for the service, their day job requires Github to be available and working

2. Github has generous free tier which is the one which is exploring a lot more with the AI generated code.

It is a complexity in itself but the traffic should have been separated, the free users should not be allowed to bring down Github for enterprise customers (Just to clarify, I am free user myself). And if they do not have capacity it would have been perfectly fine to push back or throttle new users/repositories.

> I think it's commendable that they're not limiting access to the site or (intentionally) throttling newcomers.

I don't think this is commendable at all. I give GitHub a lot of money and I'm tired of it being wasted with downtime.

We have a business relationship so no we shouldn’t have any sympathy. They sell a service and they’re failing to provide it.

I don't typically have sympathy for businesses that fail to deliver a service as advertised.

I can have sympathy for the humans caught in the crossfire but only managing one nine of availability on a commercial service is not acceptable.

"Leave the big trillion dollar corporation alone" is not the right idea.

They did that to themselves, and doubly so.

They decided they needed to capture the whole open source ecosystem by turning open source work into social networking... on a proprietary platform (because open source is great, especially when it's others' software). That was before they joined Microsoft.

And then Microsoft pushed AI everywhere, including on GitHub itself with copilot.

I would have liked if they had left the open source projects alone and didn't create that FOMO for not using them.

I have no sympathy.

Maybe for a free account.

But we pay enterprise license and GitHub is a big dependency in our software flow.

If this continues to be a problem as an enterprise product they need to do something. Otherwise theyre are going to to start losing business

idk man, we pay stupid amounts of money to microsoft, we are an enterprise customer, expecting better availablity compared to my laptop isnt really a high bar.

It’s commendable that they let people give them training data for free?

Constant building with AI is something that they (Microsoft) promote and are heavily invested in.

Our company pays for GitHub. We're paying for a broken product that stops our work. I don't have sympathy for the companies whom I pay for a product and give me broken shit in return. This is entirely preventable and their own fault.

A restaurant makes pizzas. They suddenly get 100x more popular. They can't make 100x more pizzas. But they are still taking orders from 100x more people. Not only are they not getting enough pizzas delivered that they took orders for, but in their rush to make and deliver more pizzas, they set the kitchen on fire, which makes an even longer wait for pizzas.

When the pizza you ordered doesn't get delivered, do you have sympathy for the restaurant? Or do you tell them to stop taking orders they can't fill and try not to set the kitchen on fire?

Now consider the pizza restaurant has 21 billion dollars in cash, is taking your money, and not giving you pizza.

No, we don’t.

Give me a break. Sympathy? For microsoft? That might have flown when github was like seven people, but they have nearly unlimited resources to make it better. They're just choosing not to. Let's talk contracts and money before we pull the sympathy card.

I used to be on-call in a high-traffic environment where single customers pushed more bits than entire nations. I chose the role. I didn't want people's sympathy, if anything, I wanted them to complain to management.

If it gets too bad they can quit. Maybe that would be for the best, just wear the thing down until it outright fails and no one wants to touch it. One less bullshit service sucking all of the oxygen out.