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kemotep 7 hours ago

I used Twitter for over 10 years without an account then suddenly in 2022 that was completely disrupted and no longer an option. Reddit is now this way too.

But I find it ridiculous that Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, etc. get used by government agencies and local businesses to post announcements and these sites are increasingly if not completely unusable without being logged in (and in some cases requiring an app instead of the site). Even Bluesky has this problem!

Sometimes this information is really important! And I even if I did have an account I may not have access to log in on every device (or even want to).

It’s absurd that social media can become this like critical communications platform for severe weather alerts or business hours or anything but the sites hosting it are completely hostile to allowing you to see it.

Sites like this are a bandaid on a gangrenous foot. Thanks for allowing me to see links from twitter but it isn’t a sustainable solution clearly.

ghusto 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Here in the Netherlands, WhatsApp has the defacto communication tool. Everyone is expected to have it installed, not just by friends but also municipals and companies. Same level as having an e-mail address.

It's a missed opportunity for the digital soverignty the EU says it so badly needs. The code for a government backed WhatsApp competitor is there, in multiple instances even. Launch a WhatsApp clone and put all governement communication through it so everyone has to have it installed, and you have an instant EU-wide userbase. From there, people will naturally start to use it between themselves.

wldcordeiro 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Reminds me of what Brasil did with Pix which of course the outside payment processors have been trying to undo.

baxtr an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think my main communication is probably the last tool that I want to be government backed tbh.

valleyer an hour ago | parent [-]

Even if it's communication/announcements from the government?

I too am constantly frustrated that official communications from governments happen on Twitter or Facebook.

thevinter 42 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Communications/announcements from the government can easily be posted on the government's website or, if really needed, sent as an SMS

r_lee 28 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

are those your "main communication" tools?

toomuchtodo an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Do you think if government accounts were on Signal, people would install it?

a_imho 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Increasingly access is hidden behind mobile apps too, which in turn requires succumbing to app stores and handing over the keys to 2 giant US companies. For slopware and social media, fine. Some would even argue it is a blessing in disguise. However on the government level it is totally unacceptable. E.g. why should anyone and especially non US citizens accept the Google/Apple TOS in order to file their taxes, access their health recds or schedule a gov appointment?

CTDOCodebases an hour ago | parent | next [-]

It's all by design to. People call for social media regulation without realizing that it is by no coincidence these companies have been able to grow so large. The security state has been outsourced to private industry.

GPerson 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

My phone can’t even open most of the apps since it’s so old. Reddit does not load (this actually helped me a lot).

giancarlostoro 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Reddit is now this way too.

Which is why OpenAI formed a partnership with reddit, in exchange for access to OpenAI's models, OpenAI gets access to reddit's data, and access to reddits live feed.

The reason X and Reddit started forcing accounts is to prevent or add barrier for web scraping, and forcing companies to pay for access to the data.

ModernMech 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Notably this was called a “temporary emergency measure” by Elon Musk — yet another promise he couldn’t keep

https://www.reuters.com/technology/twitter-now-needs-users-s...

sailfast 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

“Temporary emergency” should always be considered skeptically - especially when it comes to government. They almost always stay permanent.

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ibejoeb 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm fine with the criticism, but what's the solution? And what makes this a uniquely Elon problem when the rest of the social media industry does the same? There was backlash when the models learned computer programming from open source repositories, so I wonder if the same applies to casual speech.

kelvinjps10 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Because it worked without an account before Elon came to Twitter and changed it?

Pedro_Ribeiro 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Would've happened either way. Data is more valuable and also trivial to scrape now.

alyeska2 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Even worse, it's hard or impossible to even have an account with any shred of privacy.

I've tried to create pseudoanonymous accounts on both Bluesky and Twitter and then had them be instantly banned before I ever used them. Not even doing anything real privacy like TOR or a VPN, just trying to create an account without revealing my personal phone number.

Ironically, their attempts to crack down on bots means real people like me can't access the sites, while the scammers, propagandists and shills will put in the work to register accounts.

filoleg 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Just to clarify, what do you mean by "without revealing my personal phone number"?

Did you use a voip number (e.g., Google Voice/Twilio/etc.) instead? Or somehow no number at all? Or a secondary (real) phone number, and Twitter somehow determined it wasn't your primary personal phone number?

Not pushing back against what you said, just trying to understand what factually happened.

omoikane 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Bluesky didn't require phone numbers back when it was invite only, and then there was a period of time after they allowed everyone to create accounts where users need a phone number to verify. That requirement might have been replaced by a captcha according to:

https://github.com/bluesky-social/social-app/issues/2762

But I didn't try to create an account recently, maybe they went back to requiring phone numbers.

deltoidmaximus 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Lots of services demand your phone number after the fact now, hoping to use the sunk cost fallacy to extort it out of you when you're in a hurry.

Walmart recently deleted my phone number from my account for vague reasons but most likely because another account had the same number. That other account is my wife and the number is our VoIP line. I have no desire to interact with walmart through my cell phone so I didn't give it to them. So I used a google voice number, which is not my number, to get back in. Then they just bought my actual cell number from my credit card company and autopopulated the field. Jokes on me!

aucisson_masque an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> Then they just bought my actual cell number from my credit card company

Holy moly, don't you have any law at all to protect people's privacy ?

fcarraldo 39 minutes ago | parent [-]

in the US? no.

cassepipe 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

But I don't think that's the case for Bluesky

alyeska2 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's been years since I tried making a Twitter account, I believe at the time it sometimes required a phone number to sign up but other times it was optional (some A/B test).

I think Bluesky didn't require a phone number to sign up, just an email. Maybe I'm misremembering though and it forced a phone number so I had to provide a fake one or a voip one.

deltoidmaximus 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I wouldn't even care if they blocked my anonymous account from posting or really interacting besides reading things. But of course, preventing bot actions isn't actually why I need an account so they aren't going to let you do that.

cassepipe 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't remember giving my phone to bluesky

arjie 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The governments go where the people are. If they post on their own sites it’s the equivalent of “on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard’”.

But government information should definitely be first source on their site with federation elsewhere.

phforms 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah, "first source" is the key here. The information should be available openly and independently of any 3rd-party platform.

In a broader sense, I believe that every person who publishes on the internet should have a standard way to keep their profile data (accounts, posts, etc.) in a secure, user-owned vault that is independent of any company or institution and platforms should have to pull data from that place (in a restricted, user-controlled way) instead of from their own servers. Platforms should be exchangeable, profiles should be entirely user-owned. But of course, this is just a dream and hard to realise technically and economically (incentive-wise) with our current systems. Decentralised protocols are a step in this direction, but unfortunately still too technical/complicated for most people to really "own" or host their data themselves.

arjie an hour ago | parent [-]

ATProto attempted to do this with their PDS based structure but it isn’t fully decentralized yet. The vision is similar to what you describe though.

andrepd 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The problem is not governments or people posting there. The problem is platforms/utilities not being treated as such.

anotherpaul 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

totally agree, businesses that only have Facebook or Instagram are basically hidden from me. I can not see their opening hours, nor the menue, if it is a restaurant. I understand why the businesses use facebook, its easy, but its also a bit sad.

rplnt 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Similarly, society decided at some point that linkedin, a completely private and constantly hacked social network, is a must-have when looking for work (not any work, but for a lot of jobs it applies). Just give them all your private data and we'll have a look.

y-c-o-m-b 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Makes one miss the days when Craigslist or Monster (and its clones) were legitimately the best places to find employment.

I've always loathed LinkedIn due to their poor security and their data mining practices, starting from day 1. I haven't used LinkedIn in over 10 years and only used it briefly to connect with old colleagues. I never had a problem getting work without it. Due to AI, scammers, and infiltration by countries like North Korea, LinkedIn seems to be the only other source outside of "networking" to get hired these days though, unfortunately.

At this point nothing would make me happier than to see Meta, X, LinkedIn, and their friends collapse. They are a cancer and only amplify the enshittification of everything.

tuesdaynight 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's frustrating, but we need to accept that we are not the kind of user that these platforms want. I stopped using Reddit for the same reason, and I accepted that I'm not the best user for them. For my luck, Reddit is not used as the main communication channel for government agencies

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Meneth 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There is a browser addon https://github.com/tom-james-watson/old-reddit-redirect to view Old Reddit without an account.

cassepipe 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Even Bluesky has this problem!

Bluesky is totally accessible for me without an account. What do you see ?

tmp10423288442 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Should governments not have posted announcements in newspapers back when they were widely read, even though they require paying to read them?

mxschll 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In the EU, EU-Alert exists. They can push alarms to any phone with that system.

baggy_trough an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Create an account then? Not sure why that's an issue.

Am4TIfIsER0ppos 40 minutes ago | parent [-]

You can't make new accounts on twitter. You can only use existing apple or google accounts.

baggy_trough 22 minutes ago | parent [-]

I think you can, if you install their app.

jm4 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The Reddit thing is disappointing. I stopped being a user a long time ago, but their links often show up in search results. I started noticing I couldn't see the page without logging in. I ended up blocking Reddit in my search results. It's not worth it.

maxlin 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Blame boundless AI scraping. X would like very much to be more open.

nomilk 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

From Musk in Dec 2022 (right after purchasing Twitter):

> we should not be prohibiting read-only scroll

Seems Musk agreed Twitter shouldn't require an account just to view the site. Wonder why the change of mind.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkNkSQ42jg4&t=50m47s

angoragoats 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I learned from experience at least a decade ago that you should not take anything he says seriously or as an assertion of fact. Countless examples[0] prove that this is the case.

[0] https://elonmusk.today

nomilk 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Musk is aggressively optimistic on what can be achieved and by when, but rational on product decisions.

Musk stating that read-only scroll should be allowed seems very sensible (I think we all agree on that). But he (or someone he delegated to) clearly changed their mind. Intrigued to know why. Occam's razor would probably suggest that allowing scrapers to host twitter posts elsewhere costs them ad revenue, so they make it difficult.

assagr 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

He thinks Twitter data is valuable for AI training. He also blocks archive.org.

Grok 4.0, before it deteriorated, had a phase when it was good at writing tweets. The feature was used by Musk sycophants but it becomes boring soon.

Since Grok is closed now too and Cursor is pivoting to octocnt (GitHub clone), nobody knows where things are heading.

numpad0 6 minutes ago | parent [-]

I think buying Twitter for data was a blunder big as expecting self driving to be solved by 2015 or whenever it originally was.

It is only clear with hindsight, but now everyone knows that tweets are literally detrimental for LLM style AI for whatever reason. Personally I think it's because tweets are responses without CoT or prompts, or could be also because all its meat is in the shape incompatible with en-US culture, even when it's in English, though all that matters is it's actively useless.

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angoragoats 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Musk is aggressively optimistic on what can be achieved and by when

That’s putting it quite charitably, IMO.

> but rational on product decisions

Hard disagree. You only need to look to his entire tenure at DOGE for literally hundreds (thousands?) of counterexamples.

Or, if you don’t count that work as “product decisions,” there are other highly questionable product decisions that he is responsible for: the rear doors on the Model X; the lack of instruments/gauges of any kind in front of the driver on the Model 3 and Y; the lack of proper safety sensors/protection for the hood of the Cybertruck, leading to mangled fingers; that stupid yoke steering wheel; and the entirety of Neuralink (just to name a handful).

100percentjake 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I am certifiably not a fan of Musk but the yoke in the cybertruck when combined with the drive by wire steering is an absolute engineering masterpiece and a masterclass in systems calibration. The yoke itself has a relatively narrow range of motion of .94 turns lock-to-lock and at slow parking lot speeds that means you can do a 3 point turn, park, parallel park, navigate around, without making large movements of the steering input and you never have to (because you physically cannot) go hand-over-hand. Then at highway speeds the steering ratio is vastly different and the vehicle feels solid as a rock. It's absolutely effortless.

Now, on the flipside, the yoke also exists in the Tesla Model S Plaid, which has a traditional manual rack. In here it is the worst god-damned thing to ever curse a vehicle. The width is roughly the diameter of a school bus steering wheel and going hand over hand with it is annoying at best and the whole experience feels like utter garbage.

angoragoats 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> Now, on the flipside, the yoke also exists in the Tesla Model S Plaid, which has a traditional manual rack. In here it is the worst god-damned thing to ever curse a vehicle.

Yes, as I said, bad product decisions.

tharmas 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And you have to have a phone number to login to these sites (Authenticate). Even On-line Banking, you need a phone number to log in. And in my country Mobile contracts are hideously expensive.

Its all part of the plan: the Digital Control Grid.

Just wait till the Genius Act kicks in with Stable Coins. Programmable money is coming.

fuzzfactor 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>suddenly in 2022 that was completely disrupted

To some decision-makers their idea of "disruption" is limited to enshittification more than anything else.

Exoristos 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Disruption was never an unblemished positive for society.

uygiugiu an hour ago | parent [-]

Musk’s takeover of Twitter was a net win for free speech