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Analyzing student votes across AI models for college essay help(studyarena.com)
39 points by pasharayan 3 hours ago | 48 comments
Aurornis 38 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

The spread isn't as large as I thought from the headline. It's closer to a toss-up than I would have expected.

The length of the response is a huge factor:

> Students tended to prefer longer responses. The selected answer was 37% longer on average than the alternatives. The longest response won 47.7% of decisive writing comparisons. The shortest still won 25.0%.

So the score is partially a proxy for longest responses.

Makes me wonder how much the reviewers actually read the text. Were lazy evaluators picking the text that looked the longest or most structured without reading it all?

avaer an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> How to use Gemini for a college essay

Given that this is increasingly the go-to for a college degree, college needs to rethink its cirricula and place in the world. Or at least get rid of the essay.

Lest it become a place where student and teacher ais go to play pay-to-win social deduction video games.

Aurornis 34 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

My professor and teacher friends are painfully aware of how many students submit AI generated essays.

They're adding steps like having the students discuss and defend their essay, which immediately reveals the people who had AI write something and thought they could bluff. This triggers complaints about social anxiety and such, which are unfortunately becoming the go-to defense when unable to discuss the work.

They're also moving toward more in-person writing. Instead of long essays, shorter writing segments as part of the test. Submitting a written essay earns you feedback from the professor and a better understanding of the topic, but that's it.

brainwad 35 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

The homework essay is dead. High schoolers in my home state were just relieved of any take-home assignments because it was pointless now, I guess universities won't be far behind.

demibabs an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Author, that doesn’t mean you need to get Gemini to write your article.

John7878781 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In my experience, Gemini excels at explaining new concepts clearly and intuitively. Much more so than other models.

zorked an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Gemini is the best general-purpose model. We hear a lot about the other ones here because we are focusing on coding.

inbx0 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

So, given that developers these days mix and match models anyway with harnesses like Pi, has anyone tried letting Claude or GPT do the coding, and Gemini do the comments and documentation? Maybe even asking it to "translate" Claude's output messages to better human language for the developer or subagents?

SturgeonsLaw 40 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I use Qwen/Claude for coding and Gemini/Gemma to draft text intended for a human. To me that feels like each model playing to their strengths.

pkulak an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Seems reasonable. You could just switch the model after the code is written, when you need to ask questions. You’ll lose your token cache, but that’s it.

gherkinnn 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Anything is better than the current crop of Claudes, its prose has become painful.

StableAlkyne an hour ago | parent | next [-]

For real, the "Claudish" has become so painful to read that it just takes me out of whatever task I was working on.

When prompted to use simple English without jargon, it's still filled with load bearing honest caveats in every footgun seam it talks about — what I should have led with. <Insert whatever other Claude cliche you prefer>

And I'm not the only one to notice this. Next time it's up for renewal, my team is abandoning it for GH Copilot in order to use literally any other frontier model.

pmontra an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Yes, Claude speaks Claudish but at the end of the day I care about the Ruby, Python, JS it writes. It still does a good job at it even if maybe I prefer the way DeepSeek talks. I did not use other models in an agentic harness.

mobius47 30 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

good thing claudish isnt a programming language

kuboble an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Say a word.

purplecats an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You make some good points, but the best one is the one you might not be aware you've made.

senderista 44 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's so bad that my workflow has Sol rewrite all comments and error messages produced by Claude.

whateveracct 31 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

yeah i think Claude might just be compounding its way to a local maximum rn

asdfologist an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Fair challenge, the ability to write good prose is load-bearing for essential tasks.

gexla an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

GPT gets the most out there, but creates interesting nuance that turn an idea into a more creative exercise. Claude is like a more grounded GPT but may miss the nuance. Gemini is my last pick, but does better than the rest for making something clear and understandable. It gets to be exhausting parsing through Claude outputs and breaking it down into something more easily understandable. One way I use to improve this is to ask the LLM to pull upstream ideas from prior work on the topics. This makes me feel better about the possibility of hallucination, gives me alternate places to look, but the model still may pull things out of context or fall over on the interpretation.

Given all that, I can definitely see how Gemini would be preferred. And good for Google, because I would rather my offering be the top choice for the most people rather than better serving a small subset of users.

ShawWang 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Gemini is bad at coding, but good at writing. More human like

parasti 30 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Gemini is not bad at coding? Give it a /plan and it does a very decent job in a fraction of the time/tokens that Claude needs.

madhatter999 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Makes sense when you consider what type of data Google had available in abundance. Natural written language (e.g., Docs, Gmail, Books) and natural spoken language (e.g., YouTube).

One could argue that Google Colab would supply the training data for better coding performance. I would argue that Colab is mostly used for non-complex (e.g., small number of variables) and self-contained (i.e., runnable in one page) code that can’t train a model for multi-folder and multi-page projects that rely on global connections, which real-life coding would often require.

danpalmer an hour ago | parent | next [-]

According to public material, Google does not train Gemini on Gmail or Docs: https://blog.google/products-and-platforms/products/gmail/pr... https://proton.me/business/blog/google-docs-ai-scraping

smlacy an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Yet

madhatter999 41 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Given it's Google, I don't believe it.

danpalmer 23 minutes ago | parent [-]

That's up to you, but occam's razor would suggest the most likely thing is that they are in fact just doing what they say they do in their T&Cs.

madhatter999 15 minutes ago | parent [-]

If that's what Occam's razor would suggest, then Occam presumes a world where actors do what they say. We see more and more the opposite of that in Silicon Valley.

You may well be right about Google not including the said data but your support for this point is weak.

WithinReason 42 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

They cached the entire internet an have Google Books though

blauditore 25 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Google also has millions of lines of code in several languages written over decades. Probably access to more non-public (quality) code than most other companies in the world.

Honali 43 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'd love to see the same experiment with responses normalized for length, and with actual essay quality scored separately from how helpful the model's feedback felt

kuuuzya 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

IT students should use their own LLM.

jdthedisciple 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

skeptical

at most, the result could be useful for fellow students

I have no doubt other cohorts would rate differently

it is known (on HN at least) e.g. that SWEs tend to prefer brevity, contrary to these students apparently

mogili an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've found Gemini to be better at writing. Claude has gotten worse while it gets better at coding / agentic use cases.

lwansbrough 38 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you use Gemini after reading Claude's simlish, it will feel very refreshing.

hesprs 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

True. Whenever I ask LLMs to translate English to other languages, Gemini is always the most natural one.

rienbdj 44 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Students? The couldn’t even write the essay!

foolfoolz an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

when i use gemini i ask it to stop asking me questions, to stop showing me media and just use text, and be concise in output. with these directions it’s pretty useful

explodes an hour ago | parent [-]

My settings are similar. I also added to be very concise without losing important information. It's output is so slim now that I can ask yes or no questions. Asking for a code snippet gives me just a snippet without an accompanying paragraph of explanation that I would just ignore anyway. Of course I can still ask follow up questions, but it gets right to the point. No filler is a dream.

userbinator an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Having coworkers who use it and thus unfortunately needing to read its output, Claude's "English" is very obviously unnatural-sounding, and extremely distinctive in a bad and irritating way. It's almost like another dialect.

...and of course this article itself has a bit of AI-ish tone to it.

s18m an hour ago | parent [-]

its starting to feel that way with newer models. right after opus 4.6, I have started to notice the same

s18m an hour ago | parent [-]

I have the same workflow for about 3 months now (constant). same workflow since opus 4.5 and now with fable (variable). start with a plan about a problem (somewhat similar), write down the plan, use the plan to execute the work. Lately the plans are so verbose and confusing, Im starting to think of skipping the plan stage entirely or tell it to be super concise.

mial an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

From my own tests, the best model for writing complex, nuanced prose is Opus 4.6. All the next versions are impossible to coax into good writing. Gemini is OK, GPT ok but requires significant prompt tuning.

adventured 30 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I use Fable for writing code and some planning. I use GPT for planning/roadmaps and code review, it checks Fable. I use Gemini for stray conversations. Gemini has a better conversational style than GPT, less robotic; it hallucinates more unfortunately, it has plainly fallen quite a bit behind, but it's still highly useful to converse with, research with, etc. And it spares me wasting usage of GPT or Fable. I use Gemini for the 'everything else' category, basically. Gemini never goes anywhere near anything serious.

Fable & Claude Opus 4.x or 5 are terrible to talk to about anything. I gave up on that entirely and just use Anthropic's models for work.

Any less serious technical work I'll use GPT for, as the usage limits are quite fantastic.

nickhodge 30 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Did they assess if any wanted to use their own brain?

johnnyApplePRNG 40 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm blown away, lol. I am not a fan of Gemini.

acosmism an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

ok. so what

arcticfox2029 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I think that recently gemini has responded quickly but has not been effective, unable to support gpt.