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jeffnv 6 hours ago

Noticing that the waist circumference on average went down on the peppermint group (85.17 -> 84.61) while the placebo group it went up (88.33 -> 88.65)? Also the resting heart rate dropped for the peppermint group. My initial suspicion is that the peppermint group coincidentally was also the 'got in better shape' group. Maybe the peppermint helped, but for relatively small groups that also seem to be improving waist circumference and heart rates likely due to good diet and exercise, I'm not convinced the peppermint did jack shit. More investigation needed! Would be awesome if it helped though!

vector_spaces 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There has been some research on spearmint suggesting anti-androgen effects in PCOS, which is a bit unexpected to me as I wouldn't expect mint-family herbs to have much hormone modulating effect at all. I would imagine there to be similarities in profile between spearmint and peppermint so perhaps a related mechanism is involved, although I would probably expect the opposite outcome as a naive layperson. But I haven't closely evaluated the paper nor do I know whether there's been much else suggesting this

It is important to remember that herbs are difficult to study in this setting compared with isolated compounds -- likely because their pharmacological and chemical compositions are sensitive to many factors: hour and season of harvest, form consumed (raw powder, alcohol extract, cold water infusion, fat emulsion, hot water infusion, combustion, pyrolysis, essential oil), part consumed (leaf, root, flower, seed), among staggeringly many others. Anyone with experience consuming cannabis or coffee can probably testify to the above

Not to mention that the pharmacologically active compounds in many plants are far from being comprehensively understood, let alone their interactions and dynamics

This isn't to say that every claim about herbs is to be taken seriously. My point here is more that there is no good reason to dismiss the herb itself as a cause yet simply because it's an herb and a fairly mundane one at that. There are easy examples of herbs which have pronounced physiological effects, used for recreation, performance enhancement, as literal poison, to induce labor, to thin the blood -- among others.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19585478/

r0ze-at-hn 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

So spearmint is not peppermint. Peppermint (mentha pipereta in this study) inhibits CYP3A4 and CYP1A2. CYP1A2 is in the liver and if that is inhibited then estrogen will route down the CYP1B1 path so the ratio of the two metabolites 2-OHE1 v.s 4-OHE1 would be altered. For the PCOS (renamed to PMOS btw) if they start with elevated 2-OHE1 after the peppermint this could result in improve estrogen signaling because the now raised 4-OHE1 has much higher affinity than the 2-OHE1 for ESR1 (Era). ESR1 in particular is known for lowering blood pressure.

This particular path isn't that crazy, but it would only be for a subset of folk. From the study there is something simpler: menthol acts as a natural calcium-channel blocker, triggering vasodilation to reduce blood pressure.

mrob 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>I wouldn't expect mint-family herbs to have much hormone modulating effect at all

Mints are closely related to pennyroyal (Mentha pulegium), which was traditionally (and dangerously because of toxicity) used as an abortifacient. Its mechanism of action is still unknown, so hormone modulating effects seem plausible to me.

vector_spaces an hour ago | parent | next [-]

By "mints" I meant the family lamiaceae, so pretty broadly which contains sages, rosemaries, basils, teak, verbena, and in hindsight of course contains examples like this which straddle medicine (depending on dosage and circumstances -- I'm not advocating it be used as such) and poison. Even if just restricting to the genus mentha apparently. Anyway good call

samudrijan 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sit and drink pennyroyal tea, I’m anemic royalty.

rshm 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Also used as lactation reducing herb.

ktm5j 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

But weight/mass didn't change one bit (okay exaggeration, but not by much), so maybe peppermint helps relieve gas. Who knows? There's a lot that this data could mean, and no simple way to figure it out.

ajb 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's actually prescribed for that: https://www.nhs.uk/medicines/peppermint-oil/

bherms 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

i actually had heard it helps w/ bloating/stomach issues online and took for a while and def noticed a debloating effect and less gas... obviously 1 anecdote, but I'd assume any slight waistline reduction is due to that. Also sidenote: pooping often made it feel like I put a breathmint... up... "there" lol

simondotau 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Not surprising, it’s what happens to capsaicin too. Something has to happen to the molecules/compounds you consume. Either your body discards them, stores them, or transforms them.

The fascinating part is that your anal tissue has that level of sensitivity and insight.

debo_ an hour ago | parent [-]

Unlike the anuses in government etc.

samudrijan 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Funniest thing today so far.

mlmonkey 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Peppermint oil has traditionally been used in India for digestion, so you may be on to something. I remember this particular brand growing up: https://www.amazon.com/clp/B001NQ7S9G (no relation).

f33d5173 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Nothing but blood pressure and heart rate was significant, and heart rate only barely so. I wouldn't read anything into the other numbers. It was a 20 day study, you aren't going to get long term outcomes from that.

potatoking 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'd think weight could be causal for hypertension result or sentiment over health measurement could have been causal for weight or the study could just be too small.

criddell 4 hours ago | parent [-]

When you say weight, do you really mean obesity? And if you are talking about weight, is it likely that people who live in low gravity environments will have fewer hypertension problems?

debo_ an hour ago | parent [-]

On the topic of mass, I am certain your pedantic comment will be mass downvoted.

rolisz 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Maybe it helps with weight loss (I wish)

yumraj 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It seems to aid in digestion, soothe upset stomach, so maybe it does.

leni536 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

It did help Mr Creosote.

ThePowerOfFuet an hour ago | parent [-]

But it was just wafer-thin!

crooked-v 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Wild-ass guess: maybe the aftertaste of peppermint oil twice daily leaves people who are already unhealthy wanting to snack less, leading to minor weight loss.

simondotau 2 hours ago | parent [-]

As a bit of random speculation: improved digestion might reduce the “needy stomach” sensation associated with hunger.