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spicyjpeg 5 hours ago

The article does not make it particularly clear, but the malware in question is delivered through official first-party OTA updates on cheap Chinese aftermarket head units that happen to run Android. It cannot self-propagate to any Android-based head unit, nor does it affect Android Auto which is a "dumb" screen mirroring protocol with the bulk of the software running on the connected phone rather than the head unit. This seems to be a very similar situation to that of cheap generic Android TV streaming boxes, which often come pre-infected from the factory with residential proxies and other malware as well; most of the infrastructure is likely shared.

ghostly_s 43 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Why do they gloss right over how this was distributed? Barring details of any other kind of exploit we would have to assume the vendor's update server was compromised? If so why don't they just say so.

manbash 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Indeed this is an odd disclosure and I am not familiar with past posts by them.

Moreover, no CVE is associated with this claimed vulnerability. It's not even stated which Android version or automotive head-unit variant version is affected.

_joel 5 hours ago | parent [-]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaspersky_and_the_Russian_gove...

_joel 33 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Oh, I see I'm getting downvoted by the Russian bots, quelle surprise.

p-e-w 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It’s astonishing how this relatively long article contains not a shred of actual evidence that any of this is true. It’s all “alleged”, “raised concerns”, “sources said” etc.

orbital-decay 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Wikipedia's source policy makes it nearly impossible to refer to anything that is not in the media, and any sensitive article has to use weasel words like this. Are you just noting the issue with the article, or actually doubting that Kaspersky Labs is a de-facto FSB branch since at least 2015?

atmosx 4 hours ago | parent [-]

FSB? Oh you mean Russian “Federal Security Service” ?

_joel 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's been a while since I thought about Front Side Bus

jibal 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

As it says in the first line of the WP article: "Federal Security Service (FSB)"

jibal 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The article is about a controversy involving allegations. There is plenty of evidence presented that the controversy and the allegations exist. (And if you dig into the links, there is plenty of evidence that the allegations are not without basis.)

> “sources said”

Yes, that's how Wikipedia works. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_vie...

DaSHacka 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Welcome to Wikipedia

markus_zhang 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This makes me think whether the whole chain is an intelligence side business — sell cheap electronics for profit and at the same time own them too.

reaperducer 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It cannot self-propagate to any Android-based head unit

Remember that not that long ago viruses spread through floppy disks.

Today, people share USB sticks full of music from one car to another all the time. They also bring their music from their home car to a rental car and back.

charcircuit 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Most people just bring their phone between cars for music.

mschuster91 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> nor does it affect Android Auto which is a "dumb" screen mirroring protocol with the bulk of the software running on the connected phone rather than the head unit

Huh, how does that work anyway? And while we're at it, Apple CarPlay as well? Both can run wirelessly via Bluetooth, but BT is nowhere near capable enough to stream full bandwidth video?

306bobby 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Wireless AA and CarPlay use a hotspot your car emits that your phone connects to and transfers the image/inputs/audio that way

m-s-y 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Wireless CarPlay uses Bluetooth to exchange SSID and key info before switching over to WiFi for the duration of the session.

NewJazz 19 minutes ago | parent [-]

Wow that's cursed, never realized that's how it worked.

alphager 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They didn't run over BT. BT is used to initiate communication and share the password to a wifi-network. It then uses that Wi-Fi network for most communication, keeping the BT channel strictly for telephony.

dhc02 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The way I understand it, the connection is negotiated via BT, but then wifi is used for the fat data pipe to run the display.

StilesCrisis 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I thought the latest Bluetooth protocols were basically designed to hand off to an ad-hoc Wi-Fi connection between the two devices after the initial handshake. (Might be an oversimplification of the real protocol)

izacus 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They actually run over WiFi (WiFi direct IIRC) - Bluetooth is mostly just used as a setup handshake and to help the head unit decide which phone in the car should be the one connected.

chrisjj 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> It cannot self-propagate to any Android-based head unit

Article does not say that.

ajross 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Headline really quite clearly implies it, though. I think the correction is apt.

Bottom line is that lots of HN commenters here, as is our wont, will see this as a platform bug with a hated rival and not a bad third party integration that introduced vulnerabilities.

Like, if it was a Linux-based edge system from some fly-by-night contractor, would you be OK with a headline like "Malware infects Debian based refrigerators"? What'd Debian do?

MBCook an hour ago | parent [-]

It’s no different than how the old Ford Sync or something else could have been compromised.

The two big things here in my mind are:

1. Android Automotive has gotten very popular since it provides so much and writing your own OS is very very hard and expensive as so many car makers found out

2. Aftermarket head units often use it (see #1) so it’s likely far easier to get out there than if you had to compromise Ford/VW/Volvo/whoever