| ▲ | Kobo can run apps now(bandarlabs.github.io) |
| 174 points by thepoet 3 hours ago | 68 comments |
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| ▲ | the-grump an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| For the unaware, there is an existing solution that integrates with Kobo's native software (Nickel). It has been maintained for years, and it supports every Kobo AFAIK. It's called NickelMenu, and it's great. I'm in the Kobo ecosystem because of NickelMenu and Plato. One note if you're thinking about getting a kobo due its relative openness: consider getting a two-core device. I did not do my homework and got a Clara BW because I don't want the color display. Later I found out that color is the only one with the two-core CPU. |
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| ▲ | thepoet 24 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Hey, author here. NickelMenu is terrific and Cobalt uses it to show the menu item in the default Kobo menu. It's just that Cobalt and NickelMenu are not the same in terms of project goals. I created this as I could not find anything existing that gives the capabilities I wanted. I read several things downloaded over web apart from books on my Mac and phone, which I would prefer to do on an eInk display. Search papers on arxiv and read them offline later, Substack, even spending a lot of time on chess puzzles, monitor my Claude/Codex remotely, generate explainer audiobooks and listen to them on my bluetooth speaker etc. The longer battery and the display makes some use cases really shine and I wanted to create apps for my own Kobo and potentially helpful for others as well. | | |
| ▲ | the-grump 5 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I admire and support your effort, but the title makes it sound like you couldn't run apps in the past. Nickelmenu deserves a mention in the opening paragraph and a differentiation of what this new piece of software brings to the table. |
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| ▲ | awakeasleep 38 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | but also note that a color e-reader will have significantly worse contrast than a black and white model, which negates the usefulness of the device to people like me. | |
| ▲ | podgietaru 41 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Also NickelHook, which adds the native hooks into the Nickel application. I used it for intercepting http calls previously | |
| ▲ | post-it an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I also have the Clara BW and haven't done any modding on it but it's been on my todo list. Would you be willing to briefly describe issues you've run into with it? | | |
| ▲ | the-grump an hour ago | parent [-] | | 0 issues using nickelmenu out of the box. I recommend enabling ssh (native kobo feature) so it's easier to modify the config without needing to plug in, though obviously this is optional. If you connect over SSH, I would recommend not touching system files. The new kobos don't have a removable SD card so if you corrupt the system files and it can't boot, you need to either do some PCB surgery or get a new mainboard. |
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| ▲ | hamdingers an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What does the two-core CPU get you? I'm very satisfied with my BW with KOReader, haven't noticed any shortcomings but I only read books on it. | | |
| ▲ | the-grump 43 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I encounter freezes mostly when I enable Bluetooth/wifi. Haven't tried on a multi-core kobo but I imagine the UI thread can keep running there. When reading, agree on it being more than sufficient. My recommendation is partially because the price can be identical when they have a sale. That was the case when I got a BW--it was the same price as the color. I should also mention I run quite a few things on my kobo: boringtun to connect to my home network, a fetcher to sync my books and feeds, Plato and its article fetcher whenever I update my Wallabag articles. I'm beyond pleased with my reader experience. The extra processing power would just be icing on the cake. | | |
| ▲ | hamdingers 39 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Ah yeah, mine takes a while to connect to wifi too. I assumed that was just how it was, luckily I do it rarely. I got the BW over the Color only because I had read the color screen wasn't as sharp, though I've never compared them side by side. | | |
| ▲ | the-grump 36 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Likewise. I'd had a Kobo Glo HD for more than 10 years and it was still going strong. I looked at the new color screens and they didn't look as clear to me, though it was a subtle difference. Only got the Clara BW because I wanted to use the BT remote. |
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| ▲ | charles_f 39 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | I do like my BW kobo, but it's on the slow side, even just when switching pages on the stock app ; and that's annoying. Sometimes because it's stuck it doesn't register the page change, and then it will highlight text instead. That's breaking the reading flow and I really hate that. |
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| ▲ | trencedamp an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Are there any writing apps? Any way to connect a Bluetooth keyboard? (Or USB) | | |
| ▲ | the-grump an hour ago | parent [-] | | KOReader probably lets you edit text files but I only use my kobo to read. Have not tried connecting any external devices. |
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| ▲ | khalic 4 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Very cool project, will try to make it run on my device |
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| ▲ | wbxp99 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >These are photographs of the device, not simulator captures Thanks for the clarification Claude |
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| ▲ | rglover 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Wow. This is rad, well done. I've been trying to find an alt OS for my Clara Colour and this looks great. Being able to author apps means I can finally add a way to review my highlights/quotes and search them with ease. Edit: damn, just saw the BW note. It looks like the Clara Colour would be blocked by Cobalt... |
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| ▲ | Artgor an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Isn't the whole point of Kindle (or other ebook readers) being able to read books without distractions? |
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| ▲ | BeetleB 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Even if you want it for just books, there are benefits to installing things like KOReader (way better ebook reader than the default). This allows you to sync with Calibre, etc. Years ago, it was practically a hobby of mine to go to my local Goodwill, and find an extremely cheap old used Kobo and find someone to donate it to. Now I'm thinking of getting old Kobos just for the eink display so I can run simple apps on it - while continuing to use my regular Kobo as an ereader. | |
| ▲ | AdmiralAsshat an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There's a contingent of enthusiasts who, once they find out a device runs Linux or can run Linux, seems determined to expose a terminal on it. I don't know why someone needs to SSH into their toaster, but damned if they're not gonna do it, just because they can. Me personally, I just want a reliable toaster. | | |
| ▲ | RattlesnakeJake an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I always assume it's more for the challenge and accomplishment than anything practical. The results are always neat, but rarely anything you'd actually use for general-purpose computing. | |
| ▲ | MYEUHD 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Obviously you ssh into your toaster so you can host a website on it, or run DOOM | |
| ▲ | jauntywundrkind 16 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | This isn't Normie News! I think you are on the wrong site! The street finds its own use for things is the excitement that we don't know what is possible, and that we ought be free to try. The amazing suite of software here sure looks like self evident proof about how exciting it is when we can go further, to me. I love the LLM prompt sidekick; super neat as an ambient display. It's really sad how HN is so vocally anti-hacker, is so conservative, shows up so regularly to declare alliance to anti-possibility, to anti-features. For some people, they don't only fail to be interested, they are expressly anti interested, the only thing they want is for everyone else to have to live as constrained and unexplorarive and unthoughtful as they are. I don't get it. Conservatism is a wicked disease, imo. |
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| ▲ | MathMonkeyMan 16 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I went through a whole design phase with ChatGPT on the idea of using an old Kobo as a low-distraction TV remote for my dad. The idea is that it would interface with a computer media server thing, be more legible than a traditional remote, and not be an app on his phone that would immediately send him into his phone. Ended up being more involved than the benefit it would bring, especially considering that these media server programs know how to interface with the traditional remote over HDMI (if you have the right graphics card or a dongle) and show the selection UI on screen like a smart TV. Anyway, my response is "you don't necessarily have to complicate your e-reader, instead you have the option of making it not an e-reader." | |
| ▲ | NewJazz an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Some people came for the compact package containing an eink screen, a moderately powered application board, and a reasonable amount of battery and storage. For some, it may be the perfect thin client. | |
| ▲ | ashu1461 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | In my personal experience, this can help in case the books are little technical and you have to switch to my laptop/mobile to get more information about the topic, which ends up consuming more time it should. | |
| ▲ | unethical_ban an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | That's what I want from my e-reader device too. Yet being able to turn a $140 e-ink tablet into a general purpose tool is really neat. |
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| ▲ | yoavm 33 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| FWIW, some Kobos can run PostmarketOS. I built this UI for my Clara - https://www.github.com/bjesus/air . It runs Firefox, Syncthing, KOReader, and basically anything else you can run on Linux. |
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| ▲ | 5G_activated 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I find LLM copywriting revolting, especially Claude's and it is pretty obvious that it is Claude, and even though I might find the software interesting since I own a Clara 2E, it puts such a sour taste in my mouth that I don't want to touch this thing with a 10 foot pole. If your software is mostly written by the slop machine, fine. I don't have to be upset about it unless I think about contributing and then notice the uncanny nature of the source code. But a website and a README is directly user facing and it is a major disservice, and in my opinion, lack of respect, to generate your website copy with an LLM. |
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| ▲ | conqrr an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Very cool and definitely useful. I'm not the audience but I'll say: I like my ereader to just have books that sync. That is all. It's my library room and peace time, the last thing I need is Claude to distract me. |
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| ▲ | QwenGlazer9000 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| For most of the use cases I would need an app for, koreader's plugin system works just fine for it. You'd be surprised the gems you can find for koreader. |
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| ▲ | podgietaru 41 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Previously I built something using NickelHook https://github.com/Podginator/KoboOmnivoreConverter It took a lot of messing around trying to figure out how nickel fit together. This is much more … impressive. |
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| ▲ | VariousPrograms 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I am enjoying the recently trendy Xteink e-readers that can't do anything but read books. An app store and the internet would just make an e-reader feel like a "worse phone" to me. |
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| ▲ | far_focus an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| So cool. I have this exact model. Might try to build something |
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| ▲ | pmkary 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| As a Kindle owner; I'm very jealous. |
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| ▲ | SpecialistK 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You can do a lot of the same things with a jailbroken Kindle and KindleForge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4ZliC82RtA | |
| ▲ | MathMonkeyMan 12 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Give Rakuten your money! | |
| ▲ | baal80spam 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I'm not. I want my Kindle to do ONE job well, not turn into another multi-purpose device. | | |
| ▲ | speak_plainly 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I too would like my Kindle to do one single thing well. Sadly, we seem to be waiting for that future to arrive. | | |
| ▲ | RankingMember an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I remember when my PaperWhite glitched while I was attempting to jailbreak it and got stuck with the screen inverted. It was great! I can't believe I have to jailbreak a reader to get that simple functionality for better in-the-dark reading. (epilogue: I let it run out of battery and the inversion was gone upon boot) | | |
| ▲ | LiamPowell an hour ago | parent [-] | | You don't need to jailbreak it. Swipe from the top and press the big button labelled "dark mode". |
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| ▲ | bigyabai an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yeah, I was going to say. I only installed KOReader because my Kindle Touch has lackluster ereader functionality. |
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| ▲ | poopbutt16 4 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | So... don't use it, idk? | |
| ▲ | RattlesnakeJake an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I still miss the UI on my old Kindle Keyboard, which only showed the book list without an attempt at curation/upselling. I can simulate it by staying on the "Library" tab, but it tends to forget halfway frequently. | |
| ▲ | utopiah 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It is totally different to be able to do something versus actually doing it. It is not because you can install and run apps that you have to. | |
| ▲ | pmkary 8 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I'm like yours, But there are things that makes me angry. I cannot for example read Farsi books. I cannot put a new e-pub into my kindle and I have to send it over the web; there are many things like these. And so I just want to have a nicer reader that I myself control. | |
| ▲ | NewJazz an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That's what's great about open hardware. You still have the ability to do that. Even if the original vendor of the device tries to decide differently. | |
| ▲ | adezxc 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | the one job that it does well is show you ads lmao (in case you haven't jailbreaked your Kindle yet) | | |
| ▲ | kelvinjps10 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Not to defend amazon but you can remove the ads by paying to remove them, they sell one model ad supported and another that doesn't have ads if you buy the ads supported you can remove it later. |
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| ▲ | toomuchtodo 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Your Kindle is an appliance you have little control over, the Kobo in this scope is a multitool. More choice is better than less choice as it relates to device ownership and control, imho. https://www.fulu.org/ HN Search: enshittification - https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... |
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| ▲ | ee334y5rthsrth 30 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I need OTP for loging to ssh
and meshtastic |
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| ▲ | erelong an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Noting again that postmarketos exists and works on some kobos (and potentially could be ported to more?) |
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| ▲ | dylandodds 41 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Just bought a kobo bw after reading this article |
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| ▲ | jhack an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is incredible and super useful. More reasons to use my e-reader around the house instead of my phone. |
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| ▲ | BoingBoomTschak 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Vibecoded, from what I see in the git log. |
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| ▲ | code-blooded an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I think so too. I wish all projects had a tag with amount of AI usage. It's not that vibe coding is bad on its own, but it makes me worried about project's future (ease come, easy go). | | |
| ▲ | NewJazz 26 minutes ago | parent [-] | | This wasn't a flag? Store-only by design: installing it proves delivery of an app the USB package never contained. |
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| ▲ | gadrev an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yes. Also from looking for device compatibility: > Tested on one device: the Kobo Clara BW (N365, device code 391), firmware 4.45.23697. Every device write is gated on an exact match of framebuffer identity, geometry, device code, serial model prefix, firmware version and kernel release, so a different reader is refused rather than guessed at. I can't stop reading "gated" on LLM output lately. Anyways, I wish this worked on my Libra :< | |
| ▲ | fluidcruft an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Was it the "AI Command Center" app that gave it away? That could actually be pretty cool. Read a book on the deck with the vibemill running in the background. | |
| ▲ | Cyph0n an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Even the homepage copy is LLM output. Not necessarily a bad thing, but something to point out. > Charge a Kobo Clara BW (N365) and connect it over USB. Other models are refused, not guessed at. | |
| ▲ | ashu1461 35 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Isn't everything vibecoded ? |
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| ▲ | GlenTheMachine an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I vote for Zotero integration! |
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| ▲ | jasongi 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Amazing. Hopefully Kobo don't ruin this by locking it down. |
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| ▲ | sa-code 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Would this also work on a Tolino? |
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| ▲ | oynqr an hour ago | parent [-] | | The Tolino Shine 5 is the same hardware. You can even install the kobo firmware. |
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| ▲ | bellowsgulch 44 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] |
| poob has it for you |