Yeah, local supermarkets and bookstores are always great places to try. Experiencing local prepackaged foods with different standards of bare minimums than yours and flipping magazines for topics you're familiar in unfamiliar language and formats is not an easy moment to replicate at home.

> It's 10:00 in a Tokyo 7-Eleven, ... , katsu curry buns, ...

nitpick: "katsu curry" means katsu plus curry. katsu means Japanese localized cutlet fries. curry means curry. there are katsu sandwitches and curry buns in 7-11 JP, but no katsu && curry bun in 7-11 JP. Calling curry buns katsu curry buns is same as referring to french fries as fish and chips with emphasis on FISH when there isn't in the bag; it would be a false advertisement if a restaurant had done it. The author need to make up their mind and call it Japanese curry, or if their style guide prohibits it, just curry without indicating what type of it is, or, Japanese curry is not supposed to be much different from the Royal Navy recipe anyway, so you could call it the Navy style, that's probably fine too.

▲ socalgal2 2 days ago | parent [-]

https://www.komeda.co.jp/menu/detail.html?cat=904&item=10125

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/expert/articles/5a2a8d4deea967f273a...

https://everypan.jp/menu/371/

カツカレーパンってたくさんあるよ！

セブンイレブンにもある。

https://www.sej.co.jp/products/a/item/150416/

でも、セブンイレブンでは「カツカレーパン」っていう名前じゃないんだよね。

"katsu" does not mean "cutlet", it means "breaded and deep fried". Maybe some dictionary claims otherwise but in actual usage it means "breaded and deep fried"

There is all kinds of "katsu" including egg katsu

https://delishkitchen.tv/recipes/236899984442655864

chocolate cake katsu

https://store.shopping.yahoo.co.jp/shinrindo/11-1.html

etc...

▲ decimalenough 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Not quite, IMHO a katsu dish still has to have meat in there somewhere. For your examples:

肉巻きカツ is a meat roll katsu wrapped around an egg.

串かつケーキ is not a kushi(katsu cake), it's a (kushikatsu) cake. While it doesn't contain any meat, it's named after kushikatsu, an Osakan dish of deep fried stuff on a stick.

▲ numpad0 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Not in 7-11. Basically all カレーパン is deep fried and that doesn't count as the bread itself being the katsu. Katsu[1] means cutlet in the same way kare- means curry, it's more or less a phonetically transcripted loanword.

What's actually going on here is that, they're trying to find a way to not have to say the equivalent of "French fries", and they picked an equivalent of "Fish and chips" even when it's just chips, ignoring the fact that fish means fish and not chips.

英語ネイティブの民に日本語マウント取れると思ってもらえるのはおもろいけどね。。。

1: https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%AB%E3%83%84

▲ socalgal2 2 days ago | parent [-]

The Wikipedia article is irrelevant. that’s like claiming “alot” isn’t a word because the dictionary says so even tho dictionary creators point out themselves that dictionaries don’t set the rules, they record usage

カツ is clearly used as “breaded and deep fried”. It is not used as “cutlet”

Can post 1000s of examples or You can just google it

https://www.google.com/search?q=%E3%82%AB%E3%83%84%E3%82%AB%...

You can rage all you want that it’s incorrect but it’s in common use

▲ numpad0 2 days ago | parent [-]

Your comment isn't making sense. I don't understand how you reached the conclusion that カレーパン itself has to be the katsu. The common denominator in all of those is a standalone pork cutlet used somewhere, either flavored with curry sauce and sandwiched or enclosed inside the buns then fried again. All カレーパン with curry filling is by default battered and deep fried. Non-fried カレーパン are very rare exceptions, and noting the fact that one is fried don't make sense.

You're also ignoring problematic British use of "katsu" incorrectly applied[1] to the Japanese interpretation of RN curry, which has been a bit of an ongoing issue for a while(along Brits trying to stick parboiling method for short grain rice that completely ruins it). From [2]:

  > Katsu curry (...) is a Japanese dish consisting of tonkatsu (pork cutlet) served with Japanese rice and curry. 
  > In Japan, the name refers exclusively to a dish of curry served with a cutlet.

This is just BBC trying to pull its "fish means potatoes" like it always does. There are no more lines inbetween to read here.

1: https://web.archive.org/web/20210517025549/https://soranews2...

2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katsu_curry

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leoedin a day ago | parent [-]

None of this really matters - it's a BBC article written for British audiences in British English. The goal is to communicate with the audience. I think the only clear term for British people would be "Katsu Curry Sauce", or perhaps "Katsu Sauce".

	▲	numpad0 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I guess they can do that as a matter of fact, but then this is going to continue until they quit, along all those weird beef Brits have with Japanese food and culture in general - they have multiple for inexplicable reasons.