This right here is the crux of the argument.

WFH people want to do work, take meetings, and just overall get things done. Sure they also want to be at home so they can use a 15 min break between meetings to start laundry.

RTO people want to do work, take meetings, and overall get things done while there are others around them working. RTO people need other people around them constantly.

This is the conflict. WFHers are happy without forcing RTOers to work in the same manner. RTOers are only happy when they force WFHers into the office.

WFHers want to be left alone to do their jobs. RTOers need others to be around them to do their job.

It's like being taken hostage with people who are pretending to like it. Meanwhile some of them have personal lives so bad or they're so afraid of being alone that they genuinely do like it.

I think your comment is an example of why lots of people prefer to work remotely: the 'enforced fun' of it all.

Why is it a problem for you that they don't enjoy eating in canteens? Why does working with you mean signing up to be your best friend?

Do miserable people not deserve to make a living? Companies should be able to accommodate their disabilities by making sure they are not around others who may be affected by their presence.

Everyone always seems to assume everyone else is a corporate bot and they are the only true mercenary just working for the money.

I’ve seen so many contractors who think they’re so smart for being contractors and not loyal to any kind of company… turns out they do the same shit an employee does just gets paid 5x less, and when they’re booted no one really gives gives a shit about them. Okay…

Hardly helpful when your company's headcount exceeds Dunbar's Number by 100x

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number

Unless you get caught up in a big layoff where the people you have relationships with have zero input.

if i have to sit in an office to have job security (which is a big if as we see all the time) then i rather get thrown out. that never happened in the past almost 4 decades though: i leave because i get better offers. and never have been in an office, ever.

I've never been the first to be let go. It turns out if you do valuable work, people notice that and want to keep you around. On the other hand, when I had jobs based on a personal connection, it was almost the opposite. I was treated almost like an imposter. The conventional wisdom on this is just stupid. No one is going to keep you on just because you're a good buddy. Being useful always comes first.

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