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gavino 4 hours ago

Could someone explain why these routers are so valuable and pulling acquisitions in the billions?

millicentricism 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It’s a marketplace with a markup on every token they sell. And I’d rather go to this shop, than sign up individually at the 70+ different providers they broker access to - even if it comes with a price.

drob518 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don’t understand it, but good for OpenRouter. Personally, I think OpenRouter’s value is somewhat perishable. In the early AI market where there are a jillion models and anew one every week, it’s great to be able to try them all without having to create accounts and keys for each one. OpenRouter, which I use, makes this easy for developers to do. Add some cost controls and other “management” knobs and it works great. But the market is not going to be this frothy forever. As things settle down and commoditize, the value of switching on a dime diminishes as people lock into their favorite models. And with the OpenAI and Anthropic APIs being defacto standards for how to talk to models, it’s easy enough to switch to another model every so often, as long as you aren’t doing it multiple times per week. The other alternative is that OpenRouter stays in the mix but its pricing gets ground down and down. If it’s (nearly) free and still adds some value, fine. But that doesn’t justify $7B. So, yea, I don’t get it from Stripe’s perspective.

Majromax 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> As things settle down and commoditize, the value of switching on a dime diminishes as people lock into their favorite models

I can imagine just the opposite outcome from the same scenario: as people settle into their favorite but commoditized models, competition for marginal inference cost will take over. A company like OpenRouter that promises the cheapest tokens by the minute becomes essential on the low-cost margin.

I think that OpenRouter and equivalents get pushed out of the market only if the froth calms down (as you posit) and winning models stay proprietary, perhaps with their own unique API surfaces.

drob518 an hour ago | parent [-]

> A company like OpenRouter that promises the cheapest tokens by the minute becomes essential on the low-cost margin.

Okay, I can see that, but if their value is just cost optimization, their ability to mark up the tokens becomes increasingly difficult as well. Or, people will build a router themselves to avoid paying the markup, possibly with reduced features, but someone will open source it. Heck, Claude or GPT can probably one-shot it these days. Either way, I think the whole OpenRouter model is going to struggle unless the market stays frothy.

collingreen an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's a simple marketplace and they control a ton of the demand side who trust them to find the best price and providers that work. The value is huge to users - one place, multiple models, providers bid for the traffic and the user doesn't have to think about anything. The value they hold hostage against providers is gargantuan - nice model there it'd be a real shame if none of our users used it.

I don't see how stripe adds any value here (and I've had such terrible experience with stripe automatically breaking my stuff I am worried I can't trust openrouter now) but I can see stripe wanting to be in the middle of any two people giving each other money on the internet and this is squarely (lol) that.

znnajdla 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Read Ben Thompson to understand aggregation theory. Many of the largest internet companies, like Google and Amazon, are simply aggregators. OpenRouter is an aggregator of AI tooling. Stripe itself was just a convenience layer on top of merchant gateways (another aggregator). OpenRouter is so big they can negotiate special contracts with OpenAI for special rates.

Netherlands007 an hour ago | parent [-]

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apitman 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's Netflix before the unbundling happened

maciejgryka 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Ha that’s a really interesting comparison! I guess the difference is that OR directly sends revenue to model providers, so maybe they’re more likely to continue working together? But I can totally see it go the other way once a provider feels confident enough their users won’t switch away. At that point the OpenRouter tax, however small, will be a problem to solve.

tancop 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You can save money and get higher uptime. Without it using a cheap provider for open models would be risky because they might go down a lot, but routers can detect that and instantly switch to a different provider. They basically take away all your exposure.

The other thing is convenience and centralized security from using one gateway to access everything. It's a lot better than having to deal with N accounts with separate limits and monitoring. And giving your payment details to one company instead of 20 is obviously safer.

Investors like them because the pricing is inherently usage based so there's zero risk of clients using more tokens than what they paid for. Guaranteed profit as long as they can keep a modest amount of customers.

Digory 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

On acquisition pricing: Why smarter AI models could drive up compute prices 10x (at least temporarily). [0] This seems mind blowing, but the big boys seem to be behaving as if it's directionally true.

If compute is constrained and expensive, OpenRouter is what you'll use to get around the constraints at individual providers.

[0] https://x.com/dwarkesh_sp/status/2084333160075055122?s=20

Rebelgecko 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They're selling shovels during a gold rush with a 5% markup

wyre 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

OpenRouter allows you to have 1 API key to access hundreds of models across dozens of providers.

Can’t explain the valuation since everything in this space is rationally overvalued, but I don’t think OpenRouters valuation is that surprising, all things considered.

emdash 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I use it because it makes A/B testing different models really easy

qrios 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Contend of the LLM calls.

mihaaly an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

PE is desperately competing other PE to get into the promise of some AI thingy NOW?

Just guessing. The frenzy around popular, good already, and successful services with the corporate crap flowing from this acquisition announcement too is appalling. The "what's best for you, the user" heavy emphasis when this would be inherently evident in any honest service forecasts the opposite.

Some highlights from one of my agents asked for a no bullshit evaluation:

"By buying OpenRouter, they own the routing layer that decides which model gets called and at what price."

"Stripe wants to be the economic infrastructure for AI — meaning they want to be the toll booth and the traffic cop for the entire AI economy."

"... insider market intelligence that OpenAI, Anthropic, and Google don't fully have. Stripe would now have it."

"The $7B+ price is absurd on any financial metric, but this isn't a financial acquisition — it's a strategic positioning play to own the platform layer of the next computing paradigm."

"140x revenue multiple: At ~$50M revenue, this is not a financial valuation. It's a strategic land grab — buying the chokepoint before someone else does."

I do not feel a particularly strong smell of 'best for the user' here for some reason... More like the usual 'how do we squeeze out more for our PE folks from this' kind of scent.

atleastoptimal 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Distribution is a big moat and value-add.

frabcus 4 hours ago | parent [-]

So much so that right now GPT-5.6 Sol tokens are half price from OpenRouter compared to OpenAI directly. Which I guess means enough people are using OpenRouter, that OpenAI are more concerned about getting those users to switch (from, presumably, Anthropic) than they are about encouraging OpenRouter to exist and long term reduce margins for them by competition / lack of lock-in.

dcchambers 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Tokens are just a type of currency. Stripe is a middleman for currency.

Using something like OpenRouter (or any of the AI Gateways) is better than tying yourself to one LLM provider that can rug pull on pricing or change models in a way you don't like.

The value is in the network effect I think. OpenRouter is popular and has a good head start over anything Stripe could build internally.

dgellow 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Tokens are not a currency, tokens aren’t fungible and cannot be traded

polotics 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

to a certain extent, openrouter did manage to turn tokens into a currency. The fungibility is there, as much as you don't care so much if you're getting your token from novita or some other player, these become fungible.

dgellow 3 hours ago | parent [-]

They aren’t trading tokens, they are a market for compute. The difference matters quite a lot. What you have in openrouter is the ability to exchange money for compute at the vendor of your choice.

We are basically back to 2020 trying to get people to understand that an NFT is NOT the underlying asset it abstractly represents…

pests an hour ago | parent [-]

> The difference matters quite a lot.

Please go on as I do not get your point.

topato 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Isn’t this what Venice.AI is essentially trying to do?

victorbjorklund 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A dollar bill and a euro coin isn’t fungible either.

osculum 4 hours ago | parent [-]

? In general, it is, unless it has some collector value, for example.

13hours 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yet

dgellow 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Tokens are minted then consumed. You cannot trade them, by definition. What would it even mean to trade a token? You can maybe trade a voucher that allows you to then redeem it for some token generation (aka compute), but the tokens themselves don’t make sense to be tradeable. And because they aren’t fungible you cannot swap a token for another one, that’s just not what LLMs are

pests an hour ago | parent [-]

I think you are reading too much into the "fungible" term.

No one is talking about trading tokens.

The idea being that getting your tokens from Provider A is no different than Provider B, especially if they both offer the same model. You can change one value in a request to openrouter and suddenly be hitting a different provider but offering the same tokens, because they offer the same model and the same settings.

Taikhoom10 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah, I mean, it looks like a network effect, but anybody can aggregate the models; rather, it is the switching costs in the logs and work, and the cost savings, etc.

croes 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They get all your prompts, the LLMs companies only some