| ▲ | hparadiz 4 hours ago |
| Time to dust off this oldie but goodie: Correlation is not causation. |
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| ▲ | specproc 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| It's an experimental study. These designs attempt to create a treatment and control to account for this problem. Others in the thread point out how it's not easy to implement, but there is a methodological attempt at casual inference in the design. |
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| ▲ | jmull 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It’s really not experimental though. Assuming their math and design are good, this is pretty strong, as these things go. But there were a lot of other things that were different between the groups that could reasonably be affecting results. The article itself is careful to deny drawing any prescriptive conclusions from this research — a tacit acknowledgement that the causal connection isn’t entirely clear. This is interesting and fairly strong, and potentially important, but definitely needs more work before we start acting on it. | | |
| ▲ | specproc 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | *Quasi-experimental, see my comment below. Excuse the sloppy language, it's a while since I've done one. It's not as good as an RCT, but lifetime sugar consumption, as the article points out, is not something you can randomise. |
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| ▲ | MarkusQ 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It is not an experimentally study. It's observational, e.g. from the paper: "we exploit the abrupt end of United Kingdom sugar rationing in September 1953 as a natural experiment." They didn't perform an experiment, they took someone else's observational data from a real-world event, and attempted to interpret it as if it had been an experiment. | | |
| ▲ | specproc 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | OK, quasi-experimental, a discontinuity design, surely? It's not purely observational, as you've got (albeit imperfect) treatment and control, built around (presumably very similar) people born on either side of a cut-off, simulating randomisation. Observational would be simply looking at sugar consumption across a cohort and having that as a covariate. The fact someone else gathered the data has nothing to do with it. Edit: It's a widely-used research technique, which attempts to address this correlation-causation issue without having to do RCTs. https://medium.com/@arun.subram456/causal-inference-regressi... |
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| ▲ | lores 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| But causation requires correlation. In general, I think it's unhelpful to point out something so basic to or about professional research, researchers are well aware of it. |
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| ▲ | amanaplanacanal 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Researchers are aware of it, but the press and the general public don't appear to be. Studies showing some association or another are regularly reported, and the public eats it up. | | |
| ▲ | lores 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Oh, pretty sure journalists and headline writers are also well aware of it, if for no other reason that every comment thread must be mentioning it. Their incentives are just to publish trash and generate engagement, that's all. |
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