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bko 7 hours ago

Can someone explain to me why you wouldn't want a camera accessible to police monitoring the comings and goings of your residence? Seems it would make it trivial to catch any criminal behavior.

And the pool makes sense as well as pools are incredibly dangerous. If children are regularly breaking in and swimming at night, which has been known to happen, it's a huge liability to residents not to mention the possibility of someone drowning

I guess it could be private effort (everyone I know has a ring or Google home type system monitoring their residence 24/7), but I think the hysterics around Flock is mostly an online phenomenon.

ceejayoz 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Can someone explain to me why you wouldn't want a camera accessible to police monitoring the comings and goings of your residence?

You can't be serious.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2026/08/02/how-pol...

"Flock’s array of license-plate cameras was built to fight crime. But at least 50 law enforcement officers were charged with or accused of misusing it and other systems."

They're stalking people with them.

prolly97 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Is this net bad behaviour that was added due to Flock, or was it a bad actor who happened to use Flock?

Agreed that it's bad behaviour, and that we don't want police overstepping. But I don't see how the use of Flock by police can't be monitored in a way, which catches or even eliminates this issue.

bko 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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digi59404 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Drops in crime are not related to Flock and Policing. The crime statistics have been dropping for a long time. Since its peak in the early 1990s. This has been occurring since before smartphones, before flock, hell before DVDs became mainstream.

Crime is cultural. The US’s culture has changed significantly since the 1990s and continues to do so.

Flock and Police are not crime prevention; they are crime reaction. The police in the US do not exist to “stop crime” despite the public marketing they do so. That’s literally marketing and salesmanship on their part. Police have no legal requirement to protect individuals nor their property. A police officer could watch someone be murdered infront of them, do nothing, and they would suffer no legal consequences. Infact they might get fired, then sue for back pay and early retirement. It’s happened. Multiple times.

Going back to crime - Again, it’s cultural. The US has adopted a culture since the 1990s that “crime doesn’t pay” and that crime isn’t ok. The US has also changed its stance on drugs and addictive substances offering treatment instead of punishment in many cases. Weed is legal now, it wasn’t then.

Flock and Policing tactics have very little to do with the drop in crime.

bko 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Of course cops stop crime. Well maybe not cops but putting people that commit crime in prison, there is less crime. Look at El Salvador as an example. It's that easy

ceejayoz 3 hours ago | parent [-]

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/trump-bukele-depo...

> Bukele’s government had previously negotiated with MS-13 and other violent gangs it publicly claimed to be cracking down on, El Faro found. Those negotiations, documents showed, involved offering privileges to gang leaders in prison, in exchange for a reduction in homicides and voter support in territories the gangs controlled.

Not sure that’s a great model to emulate.

bko an hour ago | parent [-]

> Over the past ten years, El Salvador’s crime rate has experienced a historic transformation, plummeting by roughly 98%. Homicides dropped from a devastating peak of 103 to 105 per 100,000 residents in 2015—when it was considered one of the world's murder capitals—to a historic low of approximately 1.3 per 100,000 residents.

Yeah, I think its a great model to emulate.

bluGill 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Crime in cities has been going down globally for a long time. Is this because of Flock or not is an open question that I have not seen anyone unbiased comment on. (though honestly I don't think Flock has been around long enough for a proper study to be done - they need to figure out all the different confounding factors and how to control for them)

iamnothere 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You don’t buy it? Do you think the charges were fabricated?

pavel_lishin 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's a heck of a correlation!

lightedman 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

"I just don't buy it."

Literally there are ARRESTS AND CHARGES against these cops and you 'just don't buy it.'

Do you see what's wrong with your statement? You're being 100% disingenuous.

joshgachnang 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This assumes the police are always upstanding and never have ulterior motives. Which has proven not to be true. [0] and tons of others

[0] https://www.kcra.com/article/new-bedford-police-officer-on-l...

bko 7 hours ago | parent [-]

This assumes that the benefit of allowing police to effectively do their job outweighs instances of abuse of that power.

I don't get this argument. Police aren't perfect therefore police shouldn't be granted the ability to do their job?

pavel_lishin 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Nobody's taking away their ability to do their job. What we're trying to do is make sure that the police don't abuse their power, that their use of power is accountable, and that they can be held liable for it when they do abuse it.

Police have to get warrants for searches as well, and nobody seems to be saying that that stops them from being able to do their job.

bko 6 hours ago | parent [-]

You're saying two separate things.

We should make sure police don't abuse their power. That's what auditing and strict access controls are for. If someone abuses it, they are held accountable.

But that doesn't mean you need a warrant for everything. It's much like police have guns and can use them at their discretion, but every time an officer draws a weapon of fires is brought under scrutiny. It works exactly the same way. Imagine if police had to go to a judge before they were able to draw their weapons!

pavel_lishin 6 hours ago | parent [-]

But Flock cameras aren't a gun, and they should be held to the same standard as any other information-gathering - it should require a warrant.

lightedman 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Police already can't do their job because we select for sub-90 IQ cops.

Giving idiot cops abusable tools is PURE AND UTTER STUPIDITY. If you think otherwise, I can't wait for those same idiots to kick in your door despite you having done nothing wrong due to some false accusation by a clanker and show you the error of your mistaken train of thought.

stevecoalbear 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You're absolutely right! If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. That's why I installed a camera in your bathroom and made it publicly accessible to the internet. If somebody commits a crime in your bathroom, they'll be trivially caught.

Find me some evidence that Flock ever helped catch a criminal.

bko 7 hours ago | parent [-]

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ceejayoz 7 hours ago | parent [-]

> You have no right to privacy entering my neighborhood.

You own the whole thing, huh?

bko 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Correct. That's what the taxes are for ;-)

solid_fuel 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Oooh, clever. Everyone else in the neighborhood pays taxes too dumbass, and most of them - like any patriotic American - hate being surveilled by the nanny state.

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bluGill 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If only everything worked perfectly as intended. In the real world there are unintended consequences of most things we do and we need to balance.

The question isn't what good can these do, the question is does the good outweigh the bad? At best we can say the jury is still out on that question - and we can only say that on the assumption that Flock and the law (likely both) does something about the ways the system can be abused.

iamnothere 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I have neighbors and that’s good enough. We all think Flock is creepy and nobody wants to be listed in a database. At this point everyone’s had their PII leaked more than once, so everyone knows the risk.

I personally have an NVR that isn’t connected to the internet and I encourage others to do the same if they want cameras.

Tepix 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety

Benjamin Franklin, Philadelphia, 1756.

LazyMans 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The irony of this quote, is it's about a communities right to fund their own defense when the greater powers (London at the time, federal gov't now) will not provide what is needed. It's about a community having the power and holding that power. The flock business model is precisely this. Those who pay for the cameras decide how it is used. Your participation in local government will have greater and faster impact in the use of your local ALPR technology than the federal government will have for a long time.

bko 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

“Where there is no law, there is no freedom.”

John Locke, Second Treatise of Government (1689)

ceejayoz 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Ah yes, laws, notoriously non-existent before the introduction of camera surveillance.

chime 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If it was just 2-4 weeks of camera footage archives accessible to local police with paper trail on an as-needed basis, I doubt there would be much opposition.

But then this happened in my county:

https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2026/06/19/prosecutors-sa...

Msurrow 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Privacy. Controlling your own data.

jakeinspace 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The police aren't your friends

bluGill 7 hours ago | parent [-]

This isn't true. Most police are your friends. The problem is a few are not your friends and nobody can tell the difference until it is too late.

Zigurd 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Have you seen American cops?

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