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digi59404 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Drops in crime are not related to Flock and Policing. The crime statistics have been dropping for a long time. Since its peak in the early 1990s. This has been occurring since before smartphones, before flock, hell before DVDs became mainstream.

Crime is cultural. The US’s culture has changed significantly since the 1990s and continues to do so.

Flock and Police are not crime prevention; they are crime reaction. The police in the US do not exist to “stop crime” despite the public marketing they do so. That’s literally marketing and salesmanship on their part. Police have no legal requirement to protect individuals nor their property. A police officer could watch someone be murdered infront of them, do nothing, and they would suffer no legal consequences. Infact they might get fired, then sue for back pay and early retirement. It’s happened. Multiple times.

Going back to crime - Again, it’s cultural. The US has adopted a culture since the 1990s that “crime doesn’t pay” and that crime isn’t ok. The US has also changed its stance on drugs and addictive substances offering treatment instead of punishment in many cases. Weed is legal now, it wasn’t then.

Flock and Policing tactics have very little to do with the drop in crime.

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bko 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Of course cops stop crime. Well maybe not cops but putting people that commit crime in prison, there is less crime. Look at El Salvador as an example. It's that easy

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ceejayoz 4 hours ago | parent [-]

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/trump-bukele-depo...

> Bukele’s government had previously negotiated with MS-13 and other violent gangs it publicly claimed to be cracking down on, El Faro found. Those negotiations, documents showed, involved offering privileges to gang leaders in prison, in exchange for a reduction in homicides and voter support in territories the gangs controlled.

Not sure that’s a great model to emulate.

	▲	bko 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> Over the past ten years, El Salvador’s crime rate has experienced a historic transformation, plummeting by roughly 98%. Homicides dropped from a devastating peak of 103 to 105 per 100,000 residents in 2015—when it was considered one of the world's murder capitals—to a historic low of approximately 1.3 per 100,000 residents. Yeah, I think its a great model to emulate.

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bluGill 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Crime in cities has been going down globally for a long time. Is this because of Flock or not is an open question that I have not seen anyone unbiased comment on. (though honestly I don't think Flock has been around long enough for a proper study to be done - they need to figure out all the different confounding factors and how to control for them)

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iamnothere 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You don’t buy it? Do you think the charges were fabricated?

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pavel_lishin 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's a heck of a correlation!

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lightedman 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

"I just don't buy it."

Literally there are ARRESTS AND CHARGES against these cops and you 'just don't buy it.'

Do you see what's wrong with your statement? You're being 100% disingenuous.