| ▲ | ventana 5 days ago |
| I find it obvious that if a person allowed an agent to do things on behalf of themselves or their company (e.g. send emails, sign contracts, update websites, etc.), they are responsible for the results. |
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| ▲ | trollbridge 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| Are sure this actually the case, legally speaking? I can definitely see someone being able to mount a good criminal defence case that they aren’t responsible for misrepresentations that an LLM agent makes on, for example, a loan application, if they sincerely intended to use the agent for non-fraudulent purposes. There won’t be intent, so they aren’t responsible outside of strict liability. |
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| ▲ | holden_nelson 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm not a lawyer so no comment on the actual legality, but it feels like the issue in your example is more akin to negligence than it is ill intent. That an LLM can misrepresent / hallucinate things is foundational to the technology. | |
| ▲ | ventana 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I feel it's somewhat similar to using TurboTax or other online services to file your taxes. For those not in the US, the tax forms have a special field to fill in if the form was prepared by a paid preparer (licensed, I guess); TurboTax and other online services leave that field blank so you, as a taxpayer, are responsible for all possible mistakes that you didn't see in the forms you signed and sent. I feel it's very similar to using an agent; the main difference is that we kind of trust that TurboTax won't hallucinate in your forms, while the agent surely will. | | |
| ▲ | prepend 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Even if you fill in the preparer, the IRS still holds you responsible. For interest, penalties, and potential crimes. | |
| ▲ | bradgranath 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | TurboTax has a guarantee. If they fuck up, it’s their fault and they will fix it. If Claude fucks up, Anthropic gives zero rats asses what happens to you afterward. | | |
| ▲ | trollbridge 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | TurboTax's guarantee has no value beyond marketing to potential TurboTax customers. | |
| ▲ | ventana 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | They won't defend you from IRS if you underpaid the tax, and "sorry I used TurboTax" is not a valid excuse. |
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| ▲ | singleshot_ 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | A great number of things that people in chat rooms “can definitely see” end up sounding awfully ridiculous in court. | |
| ▲ | orf 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > I can definitely see someone being able to mount a good criminal defence case that they aren’t responsible for misrepresentations that an LLM agent makes on, for example, a loan application, if they sincerely intended to use the agent for non-fraudulent purposes. There won’t be intent, so they aren’t responsible outside of strict liability. i mean, no? how would that be a good defence? "yes your honour, i lied on a loan application and committed fraud, but it was a mistake! i promise!" - that's... yeah. fine. it's not exactly unique. regardless, it's _you_ making the loan application. not the agent. your failure to check it is on you. | |
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| ▲ | lupire 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Your sign the document affirming that the information is accurate. |
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| ▲ | bradgranath 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If you on purpose press enter, and run code you know nothing about, it’s still on you for pressing enter. |
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| ▲ | csbrooks 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What about this case? Should the LLM user be charged with hacking their gym website? https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn0nww2qlp7o |
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| ▲ | autoexec 2 days ago | parent [-] | | There's not really enough info in the article to decide. I'd have no problem with him going to court and having to show to a jury that he used the bot in a way that no reasonable person would have expected to result in the website being hacked. If that was found to be the case, the company who made the chatbot would be responsible for the harms caused to the gym, and the user, including all of the legal costs he incurred by having to defend himself. As for the people who couldn't attend the pilates class because of the hack, it's the gym who should be held accountable for that because they designed their system in such an insecure and negligent way that it failed to protect their data and resulted in them losing their place. |
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| ▲ | danggggg 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
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