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grahamburger 4 hours ago

People have told me I was smart since I was a kid, but I can't remember for shit. I had a thought when I was fairly young that the only reason I was (maybe, sometimes) outperforming others intellectually is that I was habitually compensating for my poor memory by working things out on the fly, while others could rely more on rote memorization. Anyway, takes all kinds I guess!

yesco 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Somewhat tangential, but this reminds me of when I took a certain Microbiology midterm in college. I hadn't put much effort into that class leading up to it, as I had some tough CS classes that consumed my focus that semester (also was admittedly not a great student in general). So when I finally went to take the midterm, after cramming like mad before the exam, I quickly realized I basically didn't know the answer to most of the questions, even what I crammed was only a small portion of the material.

The exam was huge, at least over 10 pages, and even when we technically ran out of time, the professor was kind enough to move the remaining exam takers to the neighboring lecture hall to continue taking it. I recall I spent a total of 2 hours on that exam.

Now mind you it was mostly short answer or multiple choice questions. The multiple choice questions were pretty sharp too, lots of traps and false but sounds right answers mixed in. But if it had been purely essay questions, I would have been screwed.

However with such a huge corpus of information in front of me, I ended up basically learning all the material on the spot. I just kept doing multiple passes through it, each time I noticed one of my answers contradicted one of the others, I would make adjustments to harmonize, which indirectly refined my understanding.

In the end I got B+ in the exam (which was curved to an A), and walked out understanding the material better than I did walking in.

Reflecting in the experience years later, I've wondered if a hypothetical LLM which was ignorant of microbiology could do the same thing if fed that exam. In some respects the traps they placed in the multiple choice questions actually were what helped me refine my understanding the most. Made me appreciate information theory more.

nkrisc 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> I just kept doing multiple passes through it, each time I noticed one of my answers contradicted one of the others, I would make adjustments to harmonize, which indirectly refined my understanding.

This strategy saved my ass on so many tests from high school through college that I did not study properly for.

I think it would certainly be possible to write a test such that this strategy doesn’t work at all, but lucky for me no one did in any meaningful way.

jermaustin1 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Same. I have bad "factual" memory, but very good "conceptual" memory. I might not remember exactly what someone told me, but I probably gathered a keyword, and a feeling and idea of what they told me. Almost like it takes what they said then compresses it into my mind in a nice little multi-key lookup table.

mbrumlow 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Oh man, I have that too. I am always told by my best friend "well, you go it right, but entirely wrong words" -- or something to the effect I got the feeling, notion, or concept right, but the wrong words.

This has affected me a lot though, I know what is going on in songs, but can't ever remember the right words, but still some how end up sining stuff that means the same thing :/

pwython 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes. "Weak detail recall but strong fluid reasoning, conceptual/gist memory, and adaptive problem-solving" is how GPT sums up what I feel. And "high fluid intelligence" is a label it gave that I won't be using anytime soon... But I like the sound of it.

cwnyth 34 minutes ago | parent [-]

You might benefit from (proper, not the multiple choice kind) aptitude testing.

s3tt3mbr1n1 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Thanks, I feel seen.

zamalek 3 hours ago | parent [-]

In my, admittedly extremely small sample set, concept-focused memory is common for people with any degree or kind of dyslexia. I used to struggle with understanding how people couldn't understand things, now that I'm more mature it makes sense how people struggled with me not being able to spell things :).

pwython 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yep, terrible speller -- bad at pronunciation too (by the way I just autocorrected that word) -- and I often wonder how people, who are much more intelligent than me on paper, can't figure out random tasks that just seem obvious.

skydhash 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I do not have dyslexia. I’ve been reading since I was a little kid. I don’t easily recall words or things that I’ve heard. But I’ve got a very good visual memory, especially remembering patterns. And I can easily visualize things too, even the somewhat abstract concepts.

So if I put a visual bend on something I can quickly understand it and remember it, but that bend has to be mind (even when helped by an image on a book). If it’s someone else’s, I’ll be very hard pressed to remember it (but I can easily remember where it was).

So at school, when I had to cram, I fill my head with images and things like that. And with the help of the exams (written) and memory of the classes, I worked out the answers.

bragr 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We sort kids into the smart and non-smart labels when they are young, and those labels tend to stick, even when what we're measuring isn't raw intelligence but just variance in childhood development that wash out in the long term. I don't think either group is well served by this.

estetlinus 3 hours ago | parent [-]

A smart kid can be anything from not eating rocks anymore to multiplying numbers at an early age.

Most of us turn out like the rescued exotic bird which turns out to be a seagull covered in curry.

andybak 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Sometimes I wish there was a Hacker News comment hall of fame.

fragmede 17 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

https://news.ycombinator.com/highlights

but you can also favorite comments for your own hall of fame, eg https://news.ycombinator.com/favorites?id=andybak&comments=t

Lwerewolf 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Never been easier to make one.

fma an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I remember for math tests in high school/college it was easier for me to derive formulas than to remember it.

importantbrian 15 minutes ago | parent [-]

I used to think I wasn’t very good at math, because I struggled to route memorize formulas and the like. Then I had a calculus professor in class that took a bunch of time explaining how to derive the formulas we were using and it unlocked everything for me. I’m much better at deriving from core principles than trying to remember a bunch of formulas and algorithms for solving problems.

lebuin 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I can relate to this, but always explained it away in the opposite direction: I never trained my memory very much because I was able to work things out on the fly. Who knows, maybe there isn't much of a link between the two at all.

kypro 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> I never trained my memory very much because I was able to work things out on the fly

I actually always thought it was the opposite for me – I had to figure out how to work things out from scratch because I could never remember anything.

pizzly 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Same. I don't remember most things including my childhood. I have to relearn everything all the time just in a few months time. Maths, code, etc if I don't use it in 1 or more month, I have to relearn it though its always easier to relearn it. Comparing myself to others its extreme. What I find is the process of constantly relearning instead of relying on memories (which are in a way similar to assumptions) can lead to different ideas (often unique) than other people because everything even basic concepts is a open question. This however is tortuous in job interviews when people ask about problems solved in previous work or about a concept so there are trade offs.

Aeolun an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think the fact that ‘just work it out on the fly’ is a viable response to ‘I cannot remember things’ is what makes the intelligence right?

lukebechtel 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I relate to this; there are some things I remember very well, but in many areas I think my talent for improvisation stems from a ~mid long-term memory.

enquirewithin 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Memory isn’t only being able to recall things on demand.

ipython 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Agree. Plus the dimension of synthesizing new ideas from existing knowledge. Different skill set from rote memorization.