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Brazilian election filter in X For You timeline(github.com)
44 points by LorenDB 4 hours ago | 39 comments
nomilk 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Seems Brazil's court (the TSE) banned platforms from recommending (via 'feeds' and similar) ~700 accounts related to its election, to avoid 'amplification' (unless the user already follows the account, in which case it's permitted).

I'm not sure if this is a good or bad idea. But if I were Brazillian, I'd be immediately following all ~700 accounts (and probably unfollowing all 700 after the election).

Love or hate X, it deserves a massive hat tilt for its transparency here.

airstrike 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They didn't ban recommendations because they thought it was a "good idea".

They banned it to have reality comply with Brazilian electoral law which is written so that every candidate has the same amount of airtime.

It is not the job of the judiciary to determine whether a law should or shouldn't exist, but to make sure all laws are correctly enforced. Remembering this fact isn't optional.

Said differently, arguments about such decisions should revolve around whether the law says what the courts say it does or whether it was applied correctly—not whether the law should exist.

Fnoord 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> But if I were Brazillian, I'd be immediately following all ~700 accounts (and probably unfollowing all 700 after the election).

I would certainly not, as it is most likely propagandists; these aren't interesting.

But either way, the purpose of this is to protect democracy, and by mentioning the very accounts, this could have a Streisand effect. That by itself is influencing the election, and Musk knows this. That is the purpose of his action. Musk does the same with regards to other democracies, such as AfD in Germany.

bspammer an hour ago | parent | next [-]

They’re not propagandists, they’re the official accounts of candidates in the election. I don’t see any problem with this as long as it’s applied to all candidates equally.

rayiner 10 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

These laws don't "protect democracy," even the most charitable interpretation of them is that they protect liberal values against democracy. They're inherently counter-majoritarian. Democracy doesn't mean liberalism. E.g. If Iran's ayatollah was elected by free and fair elections, but otherwise the country's laws and policies were the same, that would still be democracy.

carlosjobim an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Your reasoning sounds like levels upon levels of paranoia. Read out loud to yourself what you are saying. You're saying that it's 1. Good to limit certain people from being heard and 2. Bad to let the public know which people have been censored.

I couldn't think of a seasoned KGB commander with more totalitarian reasoning than what you are voicing. Not even the censors you are defending have anything against the public knowing which accounts are limited and why.

mschuster91 an hour ago | parent [-]

Well Musk has interfered in elections and riots before so it’s definitely a good idea to hold him under extremely close scrutiny. Being the world’s richest person and one of the most powerful influencers comes with responsibility, a responsibility that Musk has shown to be lacking.

carlosjobim 42 minutes ago | parent [-]

Sure, but what does this have to do with what I wrote? The other poster is arguing that people shouldn't be allowed to know who has been censored. That's deep into 1984 or Soviet / Chinese censorship territory.

Fnoord 23 minutes ago | parent [-]

> That's deep into 1984 or Soviet / Chinese censorship territory.

Not if you consider the context of external influence, e.g. [1], and not wanting a Jan 6 in Brazil. Not letting such know their efforts are ineffective, is a tool to combat their effort. It is akin to shadowbanning.

Amplification of radical right by external entities is nothing new, btw. Russia did this in 2016. Musk does it now. But Musk won't show those parts of his machine. He still does shadowbanning, too.

[1] https://medium.com/dfrlab/election-fraud-narratives-surge-on...

Georgelemental an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

These are specifically the accounts of every registered candidate in the election (regardless of party affiliation).

NooneAtAll3 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

if anything, I would completely unsubscribe from US-controlled social platform before the election anywhere outside US

PearlRiver 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Ultimately the only antidote to US propaganda is nationalism. Anyone in my country who is caught funded with US money may as well hang themselves they are electorally dead as a dodo.

This to be fair is why the CIA had to move suitcases with money instead of bragging about it on Fox News...

rayiner 8 minutes ago | parent [-]

> Ultimately the only antidote to US propaganda is nationalism.

Ironic, isn't it?

Shank 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> But if I were Brazillian, I'd be immediately following all ~700 accounts (and probably unfollowing all 700 after the election).

I wonder how many normal people actually follow political accounts like this. I follow my local government because they sometimes tweet emergency info but I don’t follow candidates at all. I don’t follow political influencers either. It’s far too noisy.

etchalon 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Transparency for something that was well known, reported on and legally documented?

flipbrad 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For context: https://x.com/XBR/status/2088341967864320507?s=20

Cider9986 3 hours ago | parent [-]

https://nitter.net/XBR/status/2088341967864320507?s=20

DeepL:

>Starting August 16, Brazilian election law requires providers that use recommendation systems to exclude from their recommendations the official accounts of candidates registered with the Electoral Court and the posts from those accounts.

>On X, these accounts and their posts will no longer be recommended in the “For You” tab during the election period unless the user explicitly follows the account. Official candidates are not suspended, and their content will remain available on their profiles. This measure is expected to affect the visibility and reach of these profiles and their content.

>We are implementing this measure to strictly comply with TSE Resolution No. 23,610/2019. This is neither a penalty nor a change to X’s rules. We are committed to setting a new standard of transparency regarding our algorithms. Follow our work here: https://github.com/xai-org/x-algorithm

matheusmoreira 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> Official candidates are not suspended, and their content will remain available on their profiles.

Sounds good to me. Filtering all recommendations is fair, and they are not censoring the profiles.

jfoster 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't know anything about this specific case, but in elections more generally, wouldn't filtering all candidates equally simply favor incumbents?

matheusmoreira 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Brazilian electoral law tries to ensure all candidates have equitable access to media air time prior to the election. This filtering apparently exists to prevent distortions like X itself pushing candidates.

marcosdumay 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> equitable

Proportionally to their incumbency.

Some company distorting the reach is way worse than favoring the incumbents. But the access is not even supposed to be equitable.

jfoster 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

But incumbents have a natural advantage, right? So any type of control trying to ensure similar levels of access is clearly going to be to the advantage of incumbents.

gpm 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Eh, I think it'd favour whoever has the bigger media apparatus running other accounts supporting them... which also seems like a weird decision.

cantfixstupid 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Bluesky creators: How are you feeling right now

marcosdumay an hour ago | parent [-]

Does Bluesky have an opaque algorithm based filter?

delduca 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Good.

diego_moita 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It is interesting that attitudes, laws and initiatives that would be called "censorship" against traditional media are more and more accepted against social media platforms, all over the world in very democratic countries.

I am not against these attitudes. I just want to point to that.

A possible reason is that these platforms are seen as either monopolies or American imperialism agents. In both cases these are very damming perceptions. Both Musk and Zuckerberg have been disastrous in branding their platforms.

matheusmoreira 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think it's a fair limit. Preventing social media companies from invisibly favoring any candidate seems sensible to me.

Censorship is deletion of the candidate's social media presence.

marcosdumay 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is not censorship, and traditional media have always been forbidden from picking a candidate and promoting them in Brazil.

Xirdus 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There are various laws in many countries that ban traditional media from straight up recommending specific candidates.

pocksuppet 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's still called censorship when it's against a social media company.

What interests me more is that Elon has completely reversed his anti-censorship stance. He was always censoring while opining against censorship and getting sued for millions of dollars for ignoring a Brazilian censorship law. Now he's just quietly complying with Brazilian censorship law.

matheusmoreira 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I miss his feuds with the supreme court. Trump actually got the judges sanctioned under Magnitsky too, then dropped the sanctions not too long after. No clue if Elon helped with that.

surgical_fire 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The posts are not being forbidden or excluded. Candidates are still free to post. It just can't be recommended in algorithmic feeds.

And those platforms are absolutely agents of American imperialism. Latin American countries in particular should be very wary of these.

pocksuppet 3 hours ago | parent [-]

That's how Elon always does censorship. "Freedom of speech, not freedom of reach." Restricting reach is still censorship.

matheusmoreira 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That would be a fair argument, were it not for the fact that every candidate is being excluded from algorithmic recommendations.

Were it just one or two candidates, then it would indeed be a form of "soft censorship". That doesn't seem to be the case here.

pocksuppet 31 minutes ago | parent [-]

What's wrong with saying that it's censoring every candidate?

surgical_fire 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Elon actively censors on his platform points of view he dislikes.

Brazilian regulations just dictates that candidates cannot be recommended, regardless of party.

Candidates are forbidden of doing many things to keep elections free and mostly fair.

well_ackshually 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Anyone sensible doesn't call this censorship. It might sound complicated if you live in a country where elections are won by who spends most money for airtime, but granting candidates equal airtime on traditional media is how it works if you want to hold normal elections. Since that can't work on algorithmic platforms where everyone sees different content, you just block their reach to avoid anyone gaming it.

Normal countries also have media silence for the day or two before the votes.

Restricting the reach of politicians is an absolute good.

tt24 an hour ago | parent [-]

> It might sound complicated if you live in a country where elections are won by who spends most money for airtime

Which country are you referring to here? I’m not familiar with any that work like this. In the United States, Trump famously spent less than his competition and won both times. Bloomberg outspent his competitors by multiple orders of magnitude and endured a humiliating loss.