| ▲ | tromp 12 hours ago |
| > Binface received 26.9% of the vote > That's why Count Binface has been able to stand in so many high-profile elections. He has, however, lost his £500 every time, after failing to meet the minimum 5% of votes cast in order for his deposit to be returned. It would seem he didn't lose his £500 this time... |
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| ▲ | dofm 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| And this time he got enough votes that if they were to be signatures in any recall petition if triggered by the standards investigation, Farage will lose his seat and have to fight it again if he wants it. |
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| ▲ | davidhbolton 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | Here's a prediction. The standards committee won't do a recall. The reason, Farage won this election despite the accusation over the £5 million. Having another byelection would get the same result so it would be a complete waste of public money. | | |
| ▲ | choult 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | They don't decide on a recall. They can sanction an MP, such as suspension from the House of Commons. Instead, a recall petition - requiring 10% of an MP's constituents to sign to then recall - is automatically triggered when an MP is suspended for 10 or more days. | | |
| ▲ | NopIdoN 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | This has happened e.g. in 2023 to Margaret Farrier - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-663... Her recall got nearly 15% of eligible voters which is about half as many votes as she got to win the seat in 2019. Thousands of locals came out solely to sack this MP. Quick timeline: elected December 2019; spreading covid September 2020; guilty plea August 2022; loses seat July 2023 (10 months before the next general election) | | |
| ▲ | dofm 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Notably, Binface got about 1500 more actual votes than that petition would need signatures, on a hot August day. The petition is published for six weeks! Farage must be very uncomfortable now. |
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| ▲ | asib 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Farage won an election in which no other major party participated. The standards committee doesn't make decisions based on what they think is best. They make decisions based on the rules. | |
| ▲ | dofm 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I don't think the committee will be swayed by this stunt at all, especially since Farage has essentially admitted that he started all this to make them look silly. And they are highly likely to open another investigation into the Posh George stuff. | |
| ▲ | kjs3 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Unless the other major parties show up for the next by election. | |
| ▲ | jmyeet 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You do know the other major parties didn't run a candidate right? The point was to demonstrate that this byelection was just theatrics by Farage to distract from the ethics investigation into the 5 million pounds. I think some, and maybe Farage himself, seem to think that the byelection wipes the slate clean either actually or practically because the people of Clacton have "spoken". it does neither. The lesson people should learn from Farage and Reform (which they won't, let's be real) is that the entire Brexit movement and all the subsequent European alt-right movements are incredibly astroturfed. They're the product of wealthy people funding fascism to avoid the electorate talking about economics ie why they're increasingly poorer and why there's increasing wealth and income inequality. Reform wants to direct attention to immigrants. It's pure distraction. It's the exact same thing in the US. It's immigration here too but it's all the other culture war bullshit issues like trans people too. What fomented all of this in the UK is that the UK government decided to bail out the banks after 2008 at the expense of taxpayers and then that was used to justify a decade of austerity measures that crippled the economy and wiped out the working class. It didn't have to be that way. Other countries like Iceland [1] let the banks fail and their economies massively benefitted. [1]: https://www.worldfinance.com/special-reports/failing-banks-w... | | |
| ▲ | pas 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | how come the UK bailout was an expense? the US one paid for itself. | | |
| ▲ | rsynnott 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | The US bailout paid for itself... If you consider the equivalent of 0.6% growth, not adjusted for inflation, paying for itself. In practice the US's cost of borrowing the money was substantially more than that. |
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| ▲ | mschuster91 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > What fomented all of this in the UK is that the UK government decided to bail out the banks after 2008 at the expense of taxpayers and then that was used to justify a decade of austerity measures that crippled the economy and wiped out the working class. And on top of that you got JK Rowling fueling insane amounts of money into anti trans hate. With Musk, who is doing similar stunts, I get it because in his warped world view he had IVF to make sure he had male offspring for almost all his children bar the first ones, and his daughter openly defies his will by, well, being his daughter. But what in God's name is the angle Rowling comes from? Who the hell hurt her so much that she's willing to burn everything? | | |
| ▲ | jemmyw 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | Reading her Wikipedia page, she's given huge amounts to all kinds of charities. Easy to get swept up in the whole pro/anti conversation, but even the one charity that specifically serves women only rape victims is doing good things. I just can't equate her with Musk. | | |
| ▲ | mschuster91 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | JKR has a history of being a proud anti trans bigot, not just donating money to such causes, but establishing her own NGO that is explicitly anti trans [1]. She is every bit as vile a bigot as Musk is, just with less (but still more than enough) money. And on top of that, her alter ego/pen name is male ("Robert Galbraith"), so it's yet another dose of bigotry on top - appearing as a male for... whatever reason, idk. [1] https://www.advocate.com/news/jk-rowling-anti-trans-organiza... |
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| ▲ | Amezarak 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Is it possible that other anti democratic forces are working to instill the notion that the ideas of their ideological opponents are illegitimate and when voters hold those beliefs it’s only because they’re been propagandized and deceived? The idea in a democratic society a large proportion of voters cannot be trusted to make their own decisions seems extremely dangerous, and one that massively benefits centralizing authoritarian powers and oligarchs. |
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| ▲ | epistasis 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| What are campaign finance laws like in the UK? Can he crowdsource this to offset his cost? I live in the US and am a citizen, with no connection to the UK, but this hand dryer situation at the Crown & Treaty really needs attention and nobody else is willing to deal with it. |
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| ▲ | KaiserPro 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Can he crowdsource this to offset his cost probably but the important thing is that you can't spend that much money (well compared to the USA) for a by-election the maximum you can spend is 180k (if youre a member of a national party the party can spend 54K on your behalf. ) in terms of crowdfunding the rules are pretty clear: https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/guidance-candidates-a... there is quite a high paper trail bar for doing this. However if you just want ot get your name on the ballot its £500. if you're just pissing about then thats all it costs. | | |
| ▲ | jerf 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | He's clearly getting his £500's worth even when he was losing it. I wouldn't worry too much about it. |
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| ▲ | figbert 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Well he's clearly getting funding from somewhere. Look at how his bin has improved over the years! | |
| ▲ | 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | [deleted] | |
| ▲ | noir_lord 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | In theory quite strict, in practice multiple parties have been caught breaking them and nothing really gets done. A rule is only a rule if it's enforced. | |
| ▲ | traceroute66 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > What are campaign finance laws like in the UK? Can he crowdsource this to offset his cost? Anybody can donate to a political party in the UK so that's how you would do it. There's no citizenship/residency requirement AFAIK. Here is his official entry on the register: https://search.electoralcommission.org.uk/English/Registrati... | | |
| ▲ | robocat 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | No, anybody can't donate to a political party in the UK: Political parties are responsible for checking the source of loans and donations over the value of £500 to ensure they come from permissible sources.
Foreign companies and individuals who are not on the UK electoral register cannot make political donations.
See https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainer/rules-fu...Other countries likely have similar restrictions e.g. New Zealand disallows foreign donations, and the source of larger donations much be known although I'm not sure if public (i.e. no anonymity above $X). Two digit millions is a significant amount in NZ politics. | | |
| ▲ | epistasis 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | So you're telling me that < £500 won't be a problem... Perhaps there's an intergalactic mixing service that can be used here to assist in finally solving this hand dryer situation. | | |
| ▲ | robocat 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | Distributed yak shaving to solve a problem that shouldn't exist. Instead of trying to move forwards, we need to look backwards: a root-analysis of the font of hand dryers (beware d'evil Dyson). Who is to blame: democracy is not the right tool. |
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| ▲ | tialaramex 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Well, you linked to his registration entry but that's not donations. In fact he doesn't have any donations so maybe that's why you were confused. If you look for a political entity which does have donations, like Reform, you can see £50M over the years since it was formed (then as the "Brexit Party") And it's not true that "anybody" can donate. People can donate if they'd be allowed to vote in the UK, which currently includes people who don't live here and so don't care what happens but that might change to some extent. Non-people such as businesses can donate if they are legitimate UK entities with UK registration or whatever as appropriate (so e.g. a UK business you own for no purpose but to fuck with UK politics wouldn't fly, but if you've got a money-losing Californian Wine Importer that's a fun hobby you can make that loss $5000 bigger by having them them donate $5000 to Reform if you like) | |
| ▲ | graemep 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Not quite. The problem is that rich people can find ways around the laws. https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/political-registratio... | |
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