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We've flown a radiation-blocking vest to the Moon and back, and it worked(arstechnica.com)
38 points by rbanffy 4 days ago | 18 comments
floatin 3 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Could use empty plastic water tanks in the walls and have a satellite in orbit that already has the water onboard and they just transfer the water back to the satellite before returning to earth. Water blocks radiation very well it’s the reason we use pools of it to store fuel rods when they are not in reactors.

saltcured 41 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I remember reading, long ago, an assertion that most shielding ideas were counterproductive for astronauts.

It was stated that most shielding would turn high energy photons into much more harmful showers of particles, worse than the original photon going directly through tissue. Was this an untested myth?

HDPE has been around since the beginning of the space race, so it seems like someone ought to have considered this before? Has the understanding of particle interactions improved a lot since then, such that HDPE shielding would not have been considered before?

wildzzz 17 minutes ago | parent [-]

It's not a new idea, here's an article from 20 years ago:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01685...

I can't find a good source but it seems that the radiation shielding properties of polyethylene were discovered some time after WWII. But I think this was an inevitable discovery, not some sort of accident. HDPE has a lot of hydrogen atoms which are perfect for blocking high energy particles without creating secondary radiation. A block of solid hydrogen would be ideal but that's not practical. Water works well but it's heavy and needs a container which adds more weight.

Dense metals and concrete do a fine job but are heavy relative to amount you need to stop the same amount of radiation as HDPE. Plus you get the secondary radiation effects from metals that can harm humans or sensitive electronics. It's like being behind armor that's hit with a round. The armor may stop the round from getting through but very hot fragments of the backside of the armor (spalling) can fly off and injure someone. Now you need additional protection from the spalling too.

Here's a photo from 2017 of a NASA facility using white HDPE sheets to attenuate high energy particles:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/brookhavenlab/33642244296/in/a...

anishvarghese 38 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This targeted shielding is a classic aerospace mass tradeoff much like armoring a fighter pilot instead of the entire plane.

stevenwoo 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Thought it might be useful for the untapped market for air crews on passenger airlines but the company said it does not block cosmic gamma rays.

ericd an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This seems sort of interesting as a sort of emergency backup, but it seems like the real solution for any sort of long distance/long duration in space is just making mass to orbit dramatically cheaper and shielding the spacecraft.

wildzzz 31 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The NASA Space Radiation Laboratory uses HDPE panels to attenuate neutrons, protons, and heavy ions. The lab sits at the tail end of a particle accelerator which is used to test radiation effects on various materials including electronics and mice. When I saw the plastic panels, I asked one of the NSRL physicists about it as we had just finished setting out some tungsten blocks to isolate the beam only a certain area on our experiment. Why plastic? Why not a dense metal? He explained that HDPE is dense with hydrogen that does really well against slowing down particles and that most importantly, HDPE is made from low atomic numbers that do not emit secondary radiation effects. This prevents radiation from hitting sensitive electronics outside the beam and also making nearby objects radioactive. When the beam hits an object with high atomic numbers (metals, especially dense ones), it can create very strong x-rays that can knock neutrons out of nearby stable metal nuclei and create unstable isotopes, effectively creating a bunch of unintended radiation sources. This isn't a big deal for the experiment, that goes away at the end of the day but not good for permanent equipment.

You can see the HDPE sheets in this photo, they can be lowered or raised to adjust attenuation:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/brookhavenlab/52979144013/

bcraven an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

“It still gets people surprised,” Milstein says. “Everybody asks, what about the head? But we’re actually able to reduce the effective dose by 60 percent without protecting the head, the arms, or even the legs.”

Whilst I understand the maths here, I can see why someone would be nervous!

weinzierl 43 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

You need to protect anything with relatively fast dividing cells best because this is where the cancer risk is highest. The brain with its slow dividing cells and fast killing tumors is the last thing to protect.

antonvs an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

It's ok, everything except your brain will be protected from radiation!

clickety_clack 43 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

You’ll be cancer-free on average!

weinzierl 41 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Your brain is quite robust against cancer and when it gets it, if is often a relatively fast death, so exactly the right trade-off.

alehlopeh 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The use of “we” in this headline is really jarring.

ButlerianJihad an hour ago | parent [-]

We Flew to the Moon and Back So You Wouldn't Have To!

antonvs an hour ago | parent [-]

You're welcome!

TheDudeMan 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Why wouldn't it?

rtkwe 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The difficulty is making it protective but light enough to not significantly hinder the spacecraft or person wearing it, all of which is covered in the article.

solarengineer 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Poor design, flawed assumptions, manufacturing defects, inability to bear the gravitational and rocket launch forces, inability of the jacket to last the duration of the radiation exposure - these are some reasons that come to my mind on why a radiation-blocking vest wouldn't have worked for the journey to the moon and back (i.e. your question "Why wouldn't it?".)