| ▲ | Gloomberb(gloom.sh) |
| 175 points by rbanffy 2 hours ago | 65 comments |
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| ▲ | u8 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Yeah... people aren't paying Bloomberg $31,980 per year for a TUI. They're paying for the data source... and I don't think you have Bloomberg's connections. |
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| ▲ | ryukoposting an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Asked a dear friend in the finance industry what he thought about Bloomberg. He's the type of guy who uses these systems daily. Mostly paraphrasing: 1) Bloomberg was lightyears ahead of anything else in the pre-internet days, so there's a lot of UI familiarity.
2) Bloomberg's chat is important because, as a hedge fund or investment bank, the chat is how you buy and sell bonds. You agree to the trade in the chat, then tell the back office folks to execute the trade. Direct quote: "I'd wager 90% of the ~400 trillion in annual bond trading value happens over Bloomberg DM"
3) Bloomberg is the biggest and best aggregator
This is fascinating to be because I always assumed latency was the key. After all, the only Bloomberg terminal I've ever seen in person was hooked up to its own dedicated fiber drop. It seems like the chat and sheer breadth of data are the differentiators. | | |
| ▲ | mattnewton 25 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | TIL Bloomberg terminal is the original iMessage blue bubbles network | |
| ▲ | tikhonj 43 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Bloomberg is big enough that different aspects of the system are going to be absolutely key for substantial subsets of its customers. | | |
| ▲ | steveBK123 24 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Yes its a multi-decade long-tail of thousands and thousands of use cases all used in different combinations by different users. |
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| ▲ | pizzalife 24 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's funny to think some of the world's largest trades are being done in something that resembles a game's tradechat. (WTS bonds) | | |
| ▲ | lq9AJ8yrfs 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | For a long time fixed income trading took place over AOL Instant Messenger and later Yahoo chat rooms. I am not making this up. There were custom frontends that would enrich things like cusips. | |
| ▲ | globular-toast 12 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | I find it a bit less funny. There is this perception that what finance people do is super important and grown up but following a brief stint in the industry I realised it literally is just a game. We used to trade bits of stationery and trading cards for fun at school. They never stopped. The only difference is people who never consented to any of this are paying for it all, especially when it all goes wrong. |
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| ▲ | traceroute66 34 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > They're paying for the data source Yup. If you want fixed-income data, Bloomberg is the only shop on the street data-wise. If you want other financial data, Bloomberg's fixed entry-point pricing tends to make more sense in terms of bang for buck than its competitors modular price sheets. People saying Bloomberg is just about the chat are simply embarrassing themselves. Look at the price sheets of Eikon, Factset, CapIQ etc. There is no such thing as a cheap "Bloomberg killer". Quality data is expensive. So are the leased-lines it arrives at Bloomberg on. So is the data wrangling architecture. | |
| ▲ | devin an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | To be fair, I don't see anywhere on this page where they try to suggest that this is competitive with a Bloomberg terminal. | | |
| ▲ | wnmurphy 16 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Seriously. I see a cool product that someone built and is sharing with the community, and the top comment is basically a criticism that it's not a $31k terminal. | |
| ▲ | croes an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | The name | | |
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| ▲ | jimmydddd an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Financial companies are cutting down on the amount associates can bill the firm for a $30 dinner, and the time before they can have the firm pay for a $30 car ride home. They definitely wouldn't pay for Bloomberg if it could be easily replaced. | | |
| ▲ | rmah 41 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Bloomberg terminal is only $133/day (assuming 240 work days per year). So, while $32k/yr seems expensive at first glance, given the total annual cost of an analyst or trader, it's not huge. Of course, they'd rather not spend the $32k/yr if they could avoid it, if bloomberg can give you an edge on just one or two trades a year, you come out ahead. So... | |
| ▲ | jpfromlondon 26 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Nobody ever got fired for choosing Bloomberg, even if there was a viable alternative there is no way anyone is pioneering the switch. |
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| ▲ | mushufasa an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Correct. Also, Bloomberg has messaging for traders that is actually an important network effect in certain domains. | | |
| ▲ | hmokiguess an hour ago | parent [-] | | Can you elaborate on the network effect piece? Curious about that | | |
| ▲ | lesam an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | It's really useful to have a chat app that is gatekept behind a 20k/year+ subscription. It's a particularly useful signal if someone is offering you a million+ dollar asset for sale. | | |
| ▲ | hmokiguess 43 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I get that, was more curious if you knew how much that is used for signaling and the traffic there. I sort of expected these communities to exist in other sources (like regular SMS / Slack / private back channels etc). | | |
| ▲ | brendoelfrendo 32 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I'm going to copy-paste one of the comments from ryukoposting higher up in the thread because I think it's relevant here: > 2) Bloomberg's chat is important because, as a hedge fund or investment bank, the chat is how you buy and sell bonds. You agree to the trade in the chat, then tell the back office folks to execute the trade. Direct quote: "I'd wager 90% of the ~400 trillion in annual bond trading value happens over Bloomberg DM" You may discuss trades via SMS or Slack; maybe you're important enough that you have a broker, and you send them your idea. But the broker at the investment bank is probably handling those trades via Blomberg terminal. That's the network effect: all the bankers are in Bloomberg chat, and it is therefore the easiest place to find who owns an asset and negotiate a trade. |
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| ▲ | kortilla an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Same effect as a country club. You know a lot about the person you’re talking to just based on their presence. | | |
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| ▲ | rdiddly 42 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Good thing they're not asking $31,980 per year for it then? | |
| ▲ | rvz an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > They're paying for the data source... and I don't think you have Bloomberg's connections. We keep seeing hundreds of Bloomberg competitors mimicking the interface and they always forget that the chat (with the connections), data and the newsroom are the reasons why Bloomberg's network effect is close to impossible to break. Using the Bloomberg Terminal is taught very early at colleges for any finance professional, which is how they get them as well. | | |
| ▲ | notpushkin an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I think it is more oriented towards retail investors (if anybody) than professional users. In theory it could compete with TradingView? (I’d especially love to see some federated social feature built in!) | |
| ▲ | hmokiguess an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Is it still though? I have a few finance friends and they all seem to be on TradingView these days |
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| ▲ | handwarmers an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | does the author claim to be a bloomberg clone? | |
| ▲ | theodric an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Some of us are just here for the æsthetics! Plus I already have the SEA100 "Centerboard" with chrome accents, and this will help complete the look. | |
| ▲ | d--b an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | actually a lot of data is not included in the standard bloomberg license and you have to pay extra (mostly passing through to the data vendors) to get access to it. There is not a single reason for Bloomberg’s dominance but the one feature that keeps people on it is the chat. | |
| ▲ | sakimonkey an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | it's a GUI and a TUI, pay attention to the screenshots | | |
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| ▲ | grahammccain 6 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I don't think the finance field needs a better bloomberg, I think the whole interface and everything needs to be rethought. Part of the moat is the data, and data access. But I think we need to completely reimagine the terminal interface and interactions with the introduction of AI. The finance industry probably will be slow to adapt, but I genuinely think someone could completely disrupt 99% of the wall street businesses with an original idea. |
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| ▲ | slowin 8 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I really wish people would mention their stack when they have these curl install scripts. I'd rather use a real package manager, but I'm not totally against installing a compiled binary this way. I am, 100%, not going to install some Java/Type-script nightmare like this though. How is it resolving the dependencies? Is it installing some version of node, bun... on my machine? How's that working with other versions I have installed? Related: please don't write command line tools in non-compiled languages! Don't make the runtime your user's problem. |
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| ▲ | rdiddly 36 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Useful on its own merits. Everybody who's distracted by the name and can't get past it, there's a thread developing here somewhere, where they're comparing it to Bloomberg. |
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| ▲ | brendoelfrendo 16 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, I think a few of the widgets here are neat and useful. It's not a Bloomberg replacement, but it might be a good replacement for a few tabs? You could get the info elsewhere, but I like this presentation more. Edit: Ah, they're offering a pro subscription. While I appreciate that cloud services aren't free, I'm not sure that I'm willing to pay to replace a few browser tabs. Not for me, but maybe for someone! |
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| ▲ | hmokiguess 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| this looks neat, what's the data source and latency? |
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| ▲ | andreypk an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Interesting project, the view looks like gpui based interface, but source code say that it is web based interface written on typescript |
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| ▲ | thm an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| For news: https://biztoc.com |
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| ▲ | charv an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| An aside - do tools like this (or what it's modeling, the Bloomberg Terminal) really offer that much benefit to finance folks? |
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| ▲ | elictronic an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Here's an article. Basically if your trading stocks no. If you are trading different instruments or want interaction with the money folks (connections) yes.
https://financetracked.com/bloomberg-terminal From it:
"Bonds and Fixed Income: It provides the best data for interest rates and debt markets.
Global Economics: It easily connects data from different countries, such as currency rates and government debt.
The Chat Room: The messaging system is the industry standard. If you want to talk to the biggest players in the market, you often need to be on Bloomberg." | | |
| ▲ | Ntrails 19 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Depends a bit how you're trading stocks - bbg is still an extremely attractive data provider so I'd not dismiss them out of hand. |
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| ▲ | Retr0id an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Bloomberg Terminal costs ~$24K per user per year, so the fact that people are paying for it implies it offers at least that much value. As mentioned elsewhere in the thread, most of that value lies in the data sources. |
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| ▲ | sigmonsays 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This post / OP really needs to say if it's AI SLOP or not and to what extent. This looks like AI slop. |
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| ▲ | RetroTechie an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| gloom.sh/docs - 404: This page could not be found. |
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| ▲ | gymbeaux an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| When I see new software now, my first thought is an LLM wrote it and it makes me not want to use it. I also assume there are bugs and it’s not particularly feature-rich. |
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| ▲ | MyHonestOpinon 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | It is becoming very hard not to use an LLM. I have been working on a project all this year. I started doing everything by hand, and I am using LLMs a little bit more every day.
I suppose we want to use projects that were crafted with care, whether or not LLMs were used. But it is not easy to figure that out. It reminds me. 30 years ago, before code formatters were popular, you could tell good code just by looking at how carefully formatted it was. | |
| ▲ | janlukacs 5 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | same and for some reason people are downvoting. why would we use vibecoded stuff with sensitive information? | |
| ▲ | ahahs an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | my first thoughts too. |
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| ▲ | TZubiri 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| What I pressume is the text for "Gloomberg" in the Hero header looks very fucked up https://imgur.com/a/ssiKckF Hopefully it's not intentional |
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| ▲ | KomoD an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Yeah, looks totally broken on my machine too. | |
| ▲ | nhinck2 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | How much intent can you ascribe to any of this? | |
| ▲ | cwnyth an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Looks fine on my end (Firefox). | |
| ▲ | timcobb an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | what platform is that? looks fine on mine | |
| ▲ | 8note 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Gloom Harder? | |
| ▲ | ghjv 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | looks fine on my machine | |
| ▲ | u8 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | How well do you think their terminal works if they couldn't even spend the time to clean up their vibe coded website? | | |
| ▲ | dpmartinez an hour ago | parent [-] | | > How well do you think their terminal works if they couldn't even spend the time to clean up their vibe coded website? Your website is literally down. https://i.postimg.cc/YCdkwZZq/image.png And I don't think their website is that bad. | | |
| ▲ | KomoD an hour ago | parent [-] | | > And I don't think their website is that bad. The download button doesn't even work properly. Clicking download in the top right gives me a .dmg, the other download button in the hero gives me the .exe, the one in the footer gives me a .dmg Docs give me a 404, blog is empty | | |
| ▲ | dpmartinez an hour ago | parent [-] | | > The download button doesn't even work properly. Clicking download in the top right gives me a .dmg, the other download button in the hero gives me the .exe, the one in the footer gives me a .dmg I mean, it works for me? The site is clearly not ready and maybe they didn't expect people to find it, but that doesn't mean the site is bad. It is just a work in progress. I'm not even interested in the site anyway the software and the source interests me more. https://github.com/gloom-sh/gloomberb | | |
| ▲ | KomoD 33 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > I mean, it works for me? Doesn't invalidate my experience. > and maybe they didn't expect people to find it What do you mean? It's linked on the Github repo. > but that doesn't mean the site is bad. I think a site that doesn't work properly is a bad one. That's just my opinion. | | |
| ▲ | dpmartinez 15 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > What do you mean? It's linked on the Github repo...I think a site that doesn't work properly is a bad one. That's just my opinion. I mean isn't this the point of open source? You can fork the repo and fix the problem instead of complaining? |
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