| ▲ | u8 2 hours ago |
| Yeah... people aren't paying Bloomberg $31,980 per year for a TUI. They're paying for the data source... and I don't think you have Bloomberg's connections. |
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| ▲ | ryukoposting an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| Asked a dear friend in the finance industry what he thought about Bloomberg. He's the type of guy who uses these systems daily. Mostly paraphrasing: 1) Bloomberg was lightyears ahead of anything else in the pre-internet days, so there's a lot of UI familiarity.
2) Bloomberg's chat is important because, as a hedge fund or investment bank, the chat is how you buy and sell bonds. You agree to the trade in the chat, then tell the back office folks to execute the trade. Direct quote: "I'd wager 90% of the ~400 trillion in annual bond trading value happens over Bloomberg DM"
3) Bloomberg is the biggest and best aggregator
This is fascinating to be because I always assumed latency was the key. After all, the only Bloomberg terminal I've ever seen in person was hooked up to its own dedicated fiber drop. It seems like the chat and sheer breadth of data are the differentiators. |
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| ▲ | mattnewton 35 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | TIL Bloomberg terminal is the original iMessage blue bubbles network | |
| ▲ | pizzalife 33 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's funny to think some of the world's largest trades are being done in something that resembles a game's tradechat. (WTS bonds) | | |
| ▲ | lq9AJ8yrfs 11 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | For a long time fixed income trading took place over AOL Instant Messenger and later Yahoo chat rooms. I am not making this up. There were custom frontends that would enrich things like cusips. | |
| ▲ | globular-toast 21 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | I find it a bit less funny. There is this perception that what finance people do is super important and grown up but following a brief stint in the industry I realised it literally is just a game. We used to trade bits of stationery and trading cards for fun at school. They never stopped. The only difference is people who never consented to any of this are paying for it all, especially when it all goes wrong. | | |
| ▲ | allthetime 3 minutes ago | parent [-] | | That should have been obvious from the mere fact that the bottom rungs are almost completely populated by silver-spooned nepo-babies. |
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| ▲ | tikhonj an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Bloomberg is big enough that different aspects of the system are going to be absolutely key for substantial subsets of its customers. | | |
| ▲ | steveBK123 33 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Yes its a multi-decade long-tail of thousands and thousands of use cases all used in different combinations by different users. |
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| ▲ | traceroute66 44 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > They're paying for the data source Yup. If you want fixed-income data, Bloomberg is the only shop on the street data-wise. If you want other financial data, Bloomberg's fixed entry-point pricing tends to make more sense in terms of bang for buck than its competitors modular price sheets. People saying Bloomberg is just about the chat are simply embarrassing themselves. Look at the price sheets of Eikon, Factset, CapIQ etc. There is no such thing as a cheap "Bloomberg killer". Quality data is expensive. So are the leased-lines it arrives at Bloomberg on. So is the data wrangling architecture. |
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| ▲ | devin an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| To be fair, I don't see anywhere on this page where they try to suggest that this is competitive with a Bloomberg terminal. |
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| ▲ | wnmurphy 26 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Seriously. I see a cool product that someone built and is sharing with the community, and the top comment is basically a criticism that it's not a $31k terminal. | |
| ▲ | croes an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | The name | | |
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| ▲ | jimmydddd an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Financial companies are cutting down on the amount associates can bill the firm for a $30 dinner, and the time before they can have the firm pay for a $30 car ride home. They definitely wouldn't pay for Bloomberg if it could be easily replaced. |
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| ▲ | adjejmxbdjdn 5 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Skipping a dinner is not losing you much money. Making a bad trade or missing a good one due to delaying data or bad data can pay for several years worth of bloombergs for everyone in your firm in one moment. | |
| ▲ | rmah an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Bloomberg terminal is only $133/day (assuming 240 work days per year). So, while $32k/yr seems expensive at first glance, given the total annual cost of an analyst or trader, it's not huge. Of course, they'd rather not spend the $32k/yr if they could avoid it, if bloomberg can give you an edge on just one or two trades a year, you come out ahead. So... | |
| ▲ | jpfromlondon 35 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Nobody ever got fired for choosing Bloomberg, even if there was a viable alternative there is no way anyone is pioneering the switch. |
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| ▲ | mushufasa 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Correct. Also, Bloomberg has messaging for traders that is actually an important network effect in certain domains. |
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| ▲ | hmokiguess an hour ago | parent [-] | | Can you elaborate on the network effect piece? Curious about that | | |
| ▲ | lesam an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | It's really useful to have a chat app that is gatekept behind a 20k/year+ subscription. It's a particularly useful signal if someone is offering you a million+ dollar asset for sale. | | |
| ▲ | hmokiguess an hour ago | parent [-] | | I get that, was more curious if you knew how much that is used for signaling and the traffic there. I sort of expected these communities to exist in other sources (like regular SMS / Slack / private back channels etc). | | |
| ▲ | brendoelfrendo 41 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I'm going to copy-paste one of the comments from ryukoposting higher up in the thread because I think it's relevant here: > 2) Bloomberg's chat is important because, as a hedge fund or investment bank, the chat is how you buy and sell bonds. You agree to the trade in the chat, then tell the back office folks to execute the trade. Direct quote: "I'd wager 90% of the ~400 trillion in annual bond trading value happens over Bloomberg DM" You may discuss trades via SMS or Slack; maybe you're important enough that you have a broker, and you send them your idea. But the broker at the investment bank is probably handling those trades via Blomberg terminal. That's the network effect: all the bankers are in Bloomberg chat, and it is therefore the easiest place to find who owns an asset and negotiate a trade. | | |
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| ▲ | kortilla an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Same effect as a country club. You know a lot about the person you’re talking to just based on their presence. | | |
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| ▲ | rdiddly an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Good thing they're not asking $31,980 per year for it then? |
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| ▲ | rvz 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > They're paying for the data source... and I don't think you have Bloomberg's connections. We keep seeing hundreds of Bloomberg competitors mimicking the interface and they always forget that the chat (with the connections), data and the newsroom are the reasons why Bloomberg's network effect is close to impossible to break. Using the Bloomberg Terminal is taught very early at colleges for any finance professional, which is how they get them as well. |
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| ▲ | notpushkin an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I think it is more oriented towards retail investors (if anybody) than professional users. In theory it could compete with TradingView? (I’d especially love to see some federated social feature built in!) | |
| ▲ | hmokiguess an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Is it still though? I have a few finance friends and they all seem to be on TradingView these days |
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| ▲ | handwarmers an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| does the author claim to be a bloomberg clone? |
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| ▲ | theodric an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Some of us are just here for the æsthetics! Plus I already have the SEA100 "Centerboard" with chrome accents, and this will help complete the look. |
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| ▲ | d--b an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| actually a lot of data is not included in the standard bloomberg license and you have to pay extra (mostly passing through to the data vendors) to get access to it. There is not a single reason for Bloomberg’s dominance but the one feature that keeps people on it is the chat. |
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| ▲ | sakimonkey 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| it's a GUI and a TUI, pay attention to the screenshots |
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