| ▲ | Claude users are mad that Anthropic's new watermarks will catch them using it(techcrunch.com) |
| 37 points by ashurandi an hour ago | 33 comments |
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| ▲ | SeriousM 4 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| So we finally tackle the issue of ai-text pollution and probably found a way to clean up the internet (from now on), yet people start complaining that "their" output is marked as spam. Well, the solution is quite easy: start thinking on your own again and write the lines yourself. I welcome this watermarking. Finally it's an easy detectable signal that someone just generated some request/answer to waste my time by forcing me thinking for the other person too. Now that time is over. (It never was hard to spot this type of texts but now there is evidence) |
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| ▲ | satvikpendem a few seconds ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Will anyone even really care (outside of detecting cheaters in academia)? I see people talking about LLM based posts all the time even at work in Slack conversations where a manager verbatim pastes a clearly AI output as a response for some question and while people seem to care internally they don't actually seem to call them out. |
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| ▲ | pizzly 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Not sure why Anthropic is getting all the attention here. Google been doing this since at least late 2024[1] and openai I believe is doing this around 9 days ago[2]. [1]https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-08025-4
[2]https://help.openai.com/en/articles/8912793-provenance-signa... |
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| ▲ | greatgib 25 minutes ago | parent [-] | | They don't do it for text I think that is the core issue. Somehow it is acceptable for us to have photo, video or audio watermarked but not text or worse code. | | |
| ▲ | pizzly 17 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Realized your right about OpenAI but they plan to. In the link they state "our goal is to expand provenance signals to all modalities including text" so its comming up regardless. I pretty sure Google does it though. |
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| ▲ | taurusnoises 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| So, it seems the watermark is less what it sounds like (a stamp) and more an "imperceptible statistical pattern woven into the choice of words and sentence structures." Does that mean AI responses will sound even more "AI?" Like, will it become even easier to detect on a read-through because of the word choices and patterning? I see the word "imperceptible" there, but what does this mean in this context? My non-tech brain is kinda breaking here. |
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| ▲ | josephg 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > Like, will it become even easier to detect on a read-through because of the word choices and patterning? It's turned on right now. Can you tell a difference? I can't. How many ways could I write this paragraph and still convey the same idea? Way more than we're aware of. Hundreds? Thousands? Maybe a lot more? The number of semantically similar variants increases exponentially with each word. I suspect anthropic could turn their fingerprinting up or down if they want. If it were turned way up, claude would use weird phrasing but it would take very little text to tell if something were AI generated. If they turned it down, it would seem imperceptible to humans, but you would need a large sample to determine (with high accuracy) that a passage was AI generated. There's probably a very large middle ground where humans can't tell, and where it doesn't take a large text sample to know (with high probability) that some text was AI generated. | |
| ▲ | 317070 17 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | https://arxiv.org/html/2510.20075v6 It is quite counterintuitive, but you can hide texts the same size as the original text in imperceptible statistics of a text. Compared to that feat, hiding a watermark is very easy. | |
| ▲ | iamacyborg 18 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Is it possible for them to sound even more AI? | | |
| ▲ | dgellow 15 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Don’t forget the survivor bias is at play, you don’t see the ones that are good at passing for human written | | |
| ▲ | iamacyborg 3 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Sure, but if my experience (I know, I know) is anything to go by, it's increasingly difficult to get Claude to write in anything other than it's own house style. |
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| ▲ | dgellow 17 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Unlikely, but I really hope so! |
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| ▲ | datakan 8 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is aimed at academia with all the cheating kids and youngsters. I really dont have a big problem with it but I doubt it will be successful. |
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| ▲ | twoslide an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Summarising a reddit discussion counts as news nowadays? |
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| ▲ | dncornholio 3 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | 0 upvotes too | |
| ▲ | unclebucknasty 16 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What would really be crazy is if there were a platform on which people provided commentary about other people's commentary on other people's commentary. | |
| ▲ | incognito124 33 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silly_season | | |
| ▲ | embedding-shape 18 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The actual original dunk from that page is great enough to be reproduced here again verbatim: > during the months of autumn [...] Work is left to feebler hands. ... In those months the great oracle becomes —what at other times it is not—simply silly. In spring and early summer, the Times is often violent, unfair, fallacious, inconsistent, intentionally unmeaning, even positively blundering, but it is very seldom merely silly. ... In the dead of autumn, when the second and third rate hands are on, we sink from nonsense written with a purpose to nonsense written because the writer must write either nonsense or nothing. Sounds like "The Saturday Review of Politics, Literature, Science, and Art" where this came from was a wonderful little venture. Is there anything like it today? Feels like "we sink from nonsense written with a purpose to nonsense written because the writer must write either nonsense or nothing" accurately describes HN sometimes :D |
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| ▲ | dgellow 14 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Been the case for more than a decade |
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| ▲ | matheusmoreira 14 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Well, of course. The stigma surrounding AI use will only get worse with stuff like this. I'm not interested in having people single me out for using AI. So glad I switched away from Anthropic. |
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| ▲ | bulder 10 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | The stigma surrounding AI use will get worse if... People know AI is being used? Sorry how does maintaining heightened paranoia by omitting clear signals help exactly? | | | |
| ▲ | datakan 11 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Did you write this with AI? jk | |
| ▲ | fzeroracer 7 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Hiding your use of AI will only make things worse when people find out. Look at how badly the CEO of Saber Interactive is crashing out after they lied about firing a writer to replace them with AI. | | |
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| ▲ | mft_ an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Amusingly, the 'histrionic' Reddit post linked to in the article smells very AI generated to me. [0] "And it doesn't stop there. There's the power question." So not only is the Reddit user in question writing impassioned angry screeds about being caught using AI in their work, but they are presumably asking for Claude's help in writing said prose. I wonder what that prompt looked like? [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/artificial/comments/1vlzjc8/about_t... |
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| ▲ | fnordian_slip 31 minutes ago | parent [-] | | >Amusingly, the 'histrionic' Reddit post linked to in the article smells very AI generated to me. The whole text was a smorgasbord of the worst, most boring AI clichés possible. It was hard to finish for me, even though it is not that long, just because it was so badly written. The only reason why I think it was partly written by a person who is just way too used to AI (as opposed to a simple prompt) is that the gaps in its logic feel more human than artificial. |
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| ▲ | throwaw12 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I understand their reasoning, but imagine at some point in the future, watermarks eventually lead to a level 9 vulnerability in your system. Theoretically, it is possible |
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| ▲ | kouteiheika 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Well, um... I fail to see how this changes anything? Give me two random pieces of text, one written by Claude, one not. I'm pretty sure I will be able to tell with close to 100% accuracy which is which, as long as as there will be a non-trivial amount of text. Claude outputs are already very easily distinguishable. The watermark is already pretty much there, even if it's not explicitly put in the outputs. |
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| ▲ | sylware an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Then a whole industry will rise at tracking and removing those watermarks. |
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| ▲ | pizzly 31 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Already happening. Just have a quick search for llm watermark remover and discovered multiple repos already available. | | |
| ▲ | d1sxeyes 13 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It’s very easy, just change each third word into something different than what you primarily wrote. It’s very simple, just change every third word for something different to what you originally wrote. It’s very straightforward, just change each and every third word for something different instead of what you actually wrote. And so on ad infinitum. |
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| ▲ | tornikeo 2 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Yet another (accidental) win for the open-weight models. |