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throwaway_7274 2 days ago

I attribute 90% of my success in life to the fact that I happened to make the right childhood best friend. One thing led to another and I got a PhD and earn [unreasonable salary]/year now. Life is insanely unfair. On some level it is luck. I don’t know what the “skill issue” twitterites don’t get about it.

(Hard work doesn’t hurt, either, but that goes without saying.)

onlyrealcuzzo 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

~99% of my success is that I happened to make friends with the right coworker at my first job, who happened to be a genius, and happened to refer me to better places. Otherwise, I'd still probably be making 1/4th of what I'm making now - simply because I didn't go to the right schools or be born to the right family, etc.

I think Thinking Fast and Slow talks a lot about maximizing your surface area for luck.

Nothing beats luck.

Sorry to all the unlucky people. I wish you could all be lucky, too!

JKCalhoun a day ago | parent [-]

Luck seems to come around… in time.

I think sometimes success in life is from making a series of "right decisions" when those forks in the road come along. (And not fucking up when you do in fact luck onto the right path.)

serial_dev 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My whole life would have been different if I didn’t get a new physics teacher when I was 16?

Before him, I found math and physics unintuitive, but he explained it in a way that (to me) made the whole high school physics trivial.

I studied physics at the university where I learned programming, and switched to software engineering.

wordpad 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Given only like 1% of people hold PhDs i feel like you're massively underestimating your own effort in your success.

xenadu02 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Success is almost always a combination of both. No one is self-made but that tends to irk people who believe they are because they've spent years doing a lot of hard work. Without that hard work they'd have failed! Yet hard work alone is not sufficient.

Where you grow up, what schools you attend, who your childhood friend group is, luckily not getting hit by a bus and put in the hospital, etc. A whole host of factors conspire to grant or deny you opportunities.

However once the opportunity arises you have to seize it. Many people have lots of opportunity yet accomplish nothing because they lack the skills, will, or both to do so. Conversely many people with the drive and skills never hit the right opportunity and end up nowhere.

For whatever reason the broader culture seems to bounce back and forth between both extremes. The whole "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" and "get a job you lazy bum" crowd acting as if you can get rich purely with hard work. Then on the other side there seems to be this well-intentioned idea on the left that if we simply give every under-privileged kid opportunity they'll be successful.

Real humans and real lives are far more complex than such simple notions.

atmavatar 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

> Then on the other side there seems to be this well-intentioned idea on the left that if we simply give every under-privileged kid opportunity they'll be successful.

I'd be surprised if more than a tiny minority of people actually believe that. It has more to do with believing that ideally, everyone should have access to the same opportunities.

It seems rather straightforward and non-controversial that providing more people opportunities to succeed will inevitably lead to more people succeeding, even if only a small minority of people are capable of seizing upon the opportunities they are provided.

qzw a day ago | parent | next [-]

In addition, it really matters when and for how long one has access to opportunities. If you wait until a poor child is an adult and then suddenly say, here’s an amazing opportunity, well, it’s not going to do much good. But if you start when the poor child is in preschool and consistently provide opportunities for learning and growth, then suddenly the likelihood of success goes way up.

rTX5CMRXIfFG a day ago | parent | prev [-]

There’s no difference between what you’re saying and what the guy before you is saying. Not sure why you’re drawing lines

pseudalopex a day ago | parent [-]

More is not every. Small minority is not every.

rTX5CMRXIfFG a day ago | parent [-]

Consequentially there's no difference, you just debated the words

throwaway_7274 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

All well said.

I would add that, while “giving every under-privileged kid opportunity” wouldn’t make them all successful, for just the reasons you said, I’m not sure that’s even the bottleneck! It’s like… how do you “give someone opportunity?” It’s a very subtle problem. It’s not easy. I doubt there’s any straightforward intervention where you can give everyone 10 units of opportunity, use them wisely please. School funding and clean streets and EBT and whatnot are sort of proxies for this, but it’s just really not that simple.

(This isn’t a disagreement with anything, by the way.)

rTX5CMRXIfFG a day ago | parent [-]

It’s not that simple but let’s see you lobby for the whole thing and get it done in a short time

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throwaway_7274 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Couldn't agree more!

throwaway_7274 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’m correctly estimating my own effort in my success. I know just how hard I worked. Making the right childhood best friend causally set me on the path to do it.

n0rand0 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

PhDs are valued by idiot politicians, low bar

Here's Daniel Lemire dunking on PhDs: https://x.com/lemire/status/2082851447499088173

Lemire in part claims:

"For social reasons, it is highly uncommon for people to fail the oral defense of their thesis. Some people are just terrible at it, naturally. They cannot think well on their feet. They get confused and answer the wrong question."

The fraction of your 1% with the credentials to be on the panel just hands them out regardless as a consolation prize.

Who is gonna be able to challenge them. Except on the whole being 1 of billions like everyone else.

It's social status moat chasing.

wordpad 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

PhDs takes YEARS with late hours and low pay.

Every one deserves recognition for having completed that journey, if not for having meaningfully contributed to their field of research.

throwaway_7274 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

ok

hatthew a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Similarly I attribute about 70% of my quantifiable success (i.e. primarily salary) to a chain of events where the "luckiest" thing was that my OS got corrupted. If not for that I would probably be in a low level software job at 30% of my current salary. The other 2 of the top 3 luckiest in that chain are: attending a talk because it had free lunch and then getting a good job from it with no interview, and the time an inhouse recruiter reached out to me on linkedin (despite my mediocre resume) and got me into their high tier company.

tombert 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Agreed.

I am not going to say that I didn’t work hard for whatever success I have, but I was very lucky to have good parents who cared about making sure their kids were successful, and friends who didn’t really peer pressure me to do anything terrible, and just sort of a natural interest in computers that ended up being profitable.

I do think I am relatively ambitious and that certainly helped, but I am not naive enough to think that things would be as good for me as they are if there weren’t a lot of positive lucky factors.

shuwix 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Life it not unfair. You've picked that right friend and you've earned that one friend, and you've kept that one friend for ages.

If someone does exact opposite of what you've did, than it's not unfair he's doing worse than you do.

nater5000 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

>You've picked that right friend and you've earned that one friend, and you've kept that one friend for ages.

Well I never had the opportunity to meet that friend. I would have been a good friend to them and kept them for ages, but because of circumstances beyond my control, I never even had the opportunity to do so. Kind of seems like a good way to sum up that notion would be to say that the OP was lucky to have been in the right place at the right time, no?

>If someone does exact opposite of what you've did, than it's not unfair he's doing worse than you do.

But why would they do the exact opposite of what the OP did? If it turned out so well for the OP, why wouldn't others also want to do the same thing to end up with the same results?

throwaway_7274 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I returned and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favor to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.

tombert 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I don’t agree with this at all.

A lot of the decisions that define us for our entire life are made when we are at our dumbest, or at least most impulsive: our teenage years.

I, like many (most?) teenage boys, really wanted girls to like me, and I didn’t have a lot of luck asking girls out in high school [1]. If a girl that I thought was cute had offered to hang out with me and tried to get me to do drugs, there’s a decent chance I would have done it. If they had gotten me to do the really scary stuff like heroin or meth who knows how different (and probably worse) my life could have been?

[1] To be clear, I am not an incel; the girls were always actually very nice in declining me and obviously even if they weren’t it’s not like I was entitled to a girlfriend.

n0rand0 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Luck is mathematical variance. Not random.

Wealth distribution is a policy issue so it's not random. It's coupled to intentional politics.

WalterBright 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

In order to make life fair, it is necessary to hammer everyone down to the lowest common denominator.

JKCalhoun a day ago | parent | next [-]

I think the idea is simply to give everyone the same opportunity. "Fairness" then rests with them.

WalterBright 15 hours ago | parent [-]

"The same opportunity" is just as unworkable, as everyone is in a different situation. For example, there never was any path for me to be a basketball player or a weightlifter. People are different, and that's a good thing.

What we can do is apply the law equally to people.

throwaway_7274 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Whatever strawman you’re fighting here, it ain’t me.