| ▲ | LeBit 6 hours ago |
| I refuse to use that product because of the parent company. |
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| ▲ | wilburx3 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| 100%, it's an easy pass given that it is always playing catch up. |
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| ▲ | qlte 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | For me it helps that back when xAI was the new hotness, after reading HN comments constantly advertising the free Grok credits they were giving out each month for developers with data sharing enabled, I eventually set aside my personal distaste figuring I might as well take advantage for Cline/Roo Code. I opened a developer API account, loaded 5 dollars and got the free $100s of credits for the month. Like two weeks later, xAI announced they were shutting down the subsidized credits entirely lol. Didn’t even get a full month out of it, and closed my account entirely since I sure wasn’t ever going to put another penny of my own money in. So my personal lesson was to ignore any hype about the latest “crazy value / unbeatable / free / subsidized X, Y or Z” from anything xAI/Elon adjacent in the future. These days I get more than enough personal usage from Codex + OpenCode Go to put up with yet another xAI/Cursor offer treadmill, especially if it involves installing new tooling to get it. |
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| ▲ | Recurecur 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | rootusrootus 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Do you not ever 'vote with your wallet'? | |
| ▲ | qwerpy 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | When you make politics a big part of your identity, you can’t help but to inject it everywhere. It’s glaringly weird and annoying for those of us who are apathetic and just want to talk about tech, but that’s how it has been for a few years. | | | |
| ▲ | forestrywat 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's not virtue signaling. People are allowed to have morals. And they are allowed to act in ways that align with those moral beliefs. > do you use Apple equipment despite Apple’s use of Chinese slave labor? If someone said they didn't buy Apple because of this, I'd support them in that too. People. Are. Complicated. We're allowed to have beliefs, we're allowed to have beliefs that aren't internally consistent. You gotta get over the idea that people aren't genuine believers in their beliefs. | | |
| ▲ | qwerpy 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The issue is that this is supposed to be a tech discussion forum and many of us don’t want to be repeatedly beaten over the head with other people’s politics. Plenty of other places to be political, we just wish this wasn’t one of them. | | |
| ▲ | GlickWick 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | There's always been "politics" embedded in this tech discussion forum. Generally you shouldn't discuss politics for politics sake, but if someone's politics are intersecting with their product (which is Musk's entire MO), of course people will have thoughts. Besides, if Musk embeds his politics into everything he does, it's fair game to discuss his merits in that arena. | |
| ▲ | hackyhacky 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > many of us don’t want to be repeatedly beaten over the head with other people’s politics I agree completely. That's why I won't use Grok: its owner repeatedly beats us over the head with his politics, and I won't encourage it. | | |
| ▲ | qwerpy 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's fine to make your own choices about what you want to spend your money on. But it gets old to constantly have actual technical discussion drowned out by the same repetitive low-effort comments in every single post. I want to hear about what people have used Grok for, how it compares to other models, what it's not good at, etc., without having to wade through all the predictable "Elon bad" comments. @dang - feature request for HN: have a "Thunderdome" section for the off-topic political commentary on the site, and once enough people flag something for being political, it gets detached and moved to the Thunderdome. People can let off steam there and the rest of us can have a nice clean place to read about tech. | | |
| ▲ | sumeno 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | There are already features that let you skip conversations you don't like. Just click the - next to the post and stop whining about it | | |
| ▲ | qwerpy 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Nah, I think I'll keep calling it out when people keep going on political tangents. Maybe my whining will help everyone save some time. |
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| ▲ | jeffhuys 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Huh. I feel that way with the other models - all the same. Eh, what can you do. Have fun out there. |
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| ▲ | solid_fuel 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > The issue is that this is supposed to be a tech discussion forum and many of us don’t want to be repeatedly beaten over the head with other people’s politics. Maybe that wouldn’t be a problem if Elon Musk would lay off the ketamine and shut his fucking mouth sometime. But instead he spends all day tweeting about how anyone he doesn’t like is a “traitor to western civilization” and calling for executions. Why is it surprising that people are reacting to his words and actions? You want the politics to go away, get a CEO that doesn’t make everything political. |
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| ▲ | baal80spam 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > It's not virtue signaling. Oh but it is. Normal people don't go to McDonalds shouting: "I refuse to eat here because they kill cows!". They just... don't go there. | | |
| ▲ | sumeno 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Didn’t realize we were posting on the xAI website. My mistake |
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| ▲ | jryle70 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I can respect if you say you hate their guts. Everyone has their worldview. But over moral or ethical stand? You don't have any if you're using Chinese models, or fly Middle East airlines, or countless of other products. Don't delude yourself. |
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| ▲ | LastTrain 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I don’t like what is happening in my country, Elon is a huge part of that and I don’t want to reward it. I’m not a fanatic, but if all other things are equal I can certainly factor social responsibility into the equation. Fuck that rage baiting xenophobic nazi-salute throwing asshole. [edit spelling] | | | |
| ▲ | epolanski 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Chinese models are open, Grok is not. | | |
| ▲ | andriy_koval 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | chances are high they are open for now because they infiltrating market and collecting data. | | |
| ▲ | mirekrusin 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | collecting data by making them open weight? where is logic in that? | | |
| ▲ | andriy_koval 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Infiltraiting market by making them open weight, then majority users still use official API, and you have answer to your question. |
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| ▲ | scottyah 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | They aren't though? Only a subset are. Are you aware that there are multiple competing Chinese companies making models? |
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