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Tostino 11 hours ago

I just spoke at my county commission meeting this morning, against these cameras, as they're debating putting 50% more cameras up across the county. The original set went up without any news coverage or fanfare.

https://www.youtube.com/live/1OmEmpL-7qY?t=720&is=z_mb9ZEVCs...

Looks like I have two serious opponents to privacy on the commission to deal with, and the commissioner seems to at least want to end the contract. I have no idea where the other two members sit.

nphardon 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

1) I love your argument, and I'm really impressed you were able to step up and do this. 2) It's wild that you, and everyone else, broadcast your name and address on live cam, while also arguing against the surveillance state.

Tostino 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Thems the rules.

Also, my sheriff's department isn't exactly known for respecting constitutional boundaries. We had the whole predictive policing national story a few years ago.

Hell, go for a stroll on Google maps in my neighborhood and maybe 1/4 of the neighbors are cops.

Is what it is. Can't be too scared to speak out when it matters.

swingandamiss 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How do you feel about people like me who own a home (multiple homes actually), have dozens of cameras around it, with license plate readers, and work with local police? As I enter retirement I plan on starting an open source style project where others can join a network of home owners that can upload video/data (with license plate number, bluetooth identifiers, etc) and have this publicly accessible and free. Cars have dashcams that we can integrate. Ring doorbells, etc. I made a fortune off of big tech at a relatively young age, now it's time to apply what I've learned toward my passion projects

qwerpy 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I’d be happy to contribute to this effort, be it financial or technical or just uploading my video sources (home camera feeds and Teslas). I’m retired with young kids and community safety is a top priority for me. Some local police departments here (Orange County) would probably appreciate this as well.

I’ve always thought millions of camera-equipped cars on the road combined with AI/ML would be an excellent tool for catching criminals.

tavavex 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is just crowdsourcing a surveillance state. For now, people can still record everyone passing by their property (not even through!), although there's an argument for changing it because your right to recognize people out of your window shouldn't automatically imply a right to digitally catalogue every one of them 24/7.

But even if we take the legal status quo. The ability to automatically tag people moving through different areas is what is really dangerous. Both well-meaning people going after criminals as well as stalkers, vigilantes and private businesses that will find a way to scrape this data love the idea.

Bluntly, whatever risks Flock has, this has too. Just about the only thing this would have over Flock is that it would be not for profit, which is not the concern people are expressing over the automated mass surveillance of everyone. Enjoy your fortune, please stop trying to bring online surveillance to the real world to watch over the rest of us. I'm still young, I want to live in the world that you lived in, not the hellhole that everyone is enthusiastically trying to turn it into now. We did just fine in the 20th century when violent crime rates were obscene compared to now, I'm sure we will survive without this.

foco_tubi 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Find their campaign donors, that’s almost always a fun reveal. Downballot candidates don’t really expect many people to look into their funding so it’s sometimes less opaque than big name campaigns.

sssilver 10 hours ago | parent [-]

How do you find the donors?

Simulacra 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Have you thought about running against them? Go get the paperwork, stand out in front of the post office and collect signatures.

bell-cot 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

When's the next election for county commissioners, where are candidates running against them likely to come from, and is there any local vibe on the issue?

Running yourself would be a whole lotta work. Fear that they'll soon be out of office should be ample incentive for the anti-privacy commissioners to suffer sudden changes of heart. Or if not - are there any energetic local reporters, who might dig up some evidence of Flock greasing palms?

Tostino 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Way too much money gets spent on local elections in this area, and just about everybody there is a legacy name of one sort or another. I'm also in the middle of my second startup, with a toddler. I can raise some hell though.

Edit: I just (had claude) looked up how much was spent on each elected seat across the candidates, and for each of the 5 county commissioner's seats, the election spend between the candidates for that seat was an average of 250k.

The wonderful lady in pink (salmon?), Mrs Starkey, has a bit of sway in the area: https://photos.app.goo.gl/WBPRWMduJ15k9Aj46

mywittyname 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Hand out pamphlets at the voting station with your name and, "I'll get Flock cameras removed." That's probably all you need to do.

It depends on where you live, but some local offices are decided by as little as a few dozen voters.