> We all know parents are far more likely to tap "OK" for "Allow personalized social feeds?" than they are to knowingly falsify their kids' age.

I know lots of parents and lots of kids, and I don't think this is accurate. In my experience the breakdown is parents who care what their kids are doing online, and parents who assume it will all turn out fine because they had AOL or even Facebook as teenagers and didn't get into too much trouble. The first group is already keeping an eye on their kids and might even have decent parental controls set up, and the second group doesn't care what happens as long as charges don't show up on the credit card.

These bills punish the first group of parents and OS/device makers for the transgressions of social media companies. The uninvolved parents won't even be in the room when the age question comes up.

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xp84 19 hours ago | parent | next [-]

How is it a punishment to that first group? If you like the status quo, there's no impact to you if you just set the DOB to 1/1/1999.

Or are you waiting for some science-fiction proposal that will be completely perfect, which you know will never happen.

> The uninvolved parents won't even be in the room when the age question comes up.

We agree that idiot parents (and therefore their kids) can't be helped. So let's just not even consider them in deciding what to do.

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kikoreis 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah.

And there is also the group of parents that at the moment have decided no device is safe enough to be given to a child or adolescent.

They are a good litmus test of the bill; would they be happy to provide devices if there was age verification built in?

I am in this group and I wouldn't.

	▲	xp84 19 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> if there was age verification built in? well, actual verification isn't even on the table in Illinois so that's quite a hypothetical. But anyway, since you'll always retain the right to not give a device (which, btw I cheer and support that decision with or without the age declaration law existing) why does your lack of trusting devices with kids have to do with anything? This scheme can exist and not affect you at all, and will benefit the many "moderate" parents who do give carefully-supervised devices, and don't carelessly just throw brand-new devices at the kids. If I'm that parent who did decide to start giving access because this bill came to be, I'd still be limiting "the internet" to a small allow-list of sites whose compliance, and exact manner of compliance, I was satisfied with.