| ▲ | GPT 5.6 Cyber(openai.com) |
| 91 points by gizmodo59 10 hours ago | 42 comments |
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| ▲ | xyzzy123 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Great, the start of model segmentation where I'm gonna need a legal license to ask about legal problems, a nutritionist license to create a meal plan, a medical license to ask about an x-ray, a pilots license to ask about a flight plan, be a registered electrician to ask how to wire something, etc etc. The licensing of allowed thoughts. Apparently I can pay for partial solutions to the Riemann hypothesis but if my question involves a crackme or something that is an existential risk somehow. |
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| ▲ | stackghost 32 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Just today, 5.6-sol refused to elaborate on a security vulnerability it claimed it had identified in my code. It could plainly see the git history with my name on every commit going back to inception, but apparently elaborating on the nature of a purported vulnerability is too scary for openai. It would fix it for me, automatically, if I was willing to let it run amok in my codebase. But asking if the "vuln" was exploitable triggered the guardrails and a "we can't show you this content" error because I am not part of the cybersecurty Trusted Access bullshit. | | |
| ▲ | ch4s3 17 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Could you ask it to write a failing test before fixing it? | | |
| ▲ | stackghost 9 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I could also ask it to fix it and look at the diff, but that's rather beside the point, don't you think? |
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| ▲ | RealWed5 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | +1. And these ^^^ are exactly my thoughts for which I had been downvoted to oblivion before. TaDa. They materialise. | |
| ▲ | siva7 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Have you thought for a single moment that this could save our profession? If people need a software development license to use AI for software development we wouldn't loose our jobs just like lawyers or doctors won't? | | |
| ▲ | culi 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Nobody wants to license programming. The skillsets are far too diverse and rapidly changing anyways. What programmers could use though is a union | |
| ▲ | mexicojalisco 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Furthermore everybody should need a license from the government or industry to cook morning breakfast on the stove. Fire hazards and all. Could do real harm if something went wrong. | | | |
| ▲ | hbosch 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | How much will a license cost? Can it be earned? If granted, granted by whom? Can I use it across models? Does it need to be reassessed regularly? How often? If any of the above are more convenient than paying an engineer you aren’t any safer, the enterprise paying is just putting money in someone else’s pocket. | | |
| ▲ | sroussey 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Most engineers have licenses in the engineering discipline, except Electric Engineers. Mechanical and Civil. Engineering is based on the constraints of physics thus applied to mankind uses. Now if you talk about software "engineers" (as i am one), that is quite fast and loose. Based on the damage done in some sectors, it would be interesting to see an alternative history where software required licenses and degrees. Certainly, the larger tech ecosystem would have moved more slowly, and products more expensive. While EE are basically held accountable by their employers, and the physics of it all requiring that things work correctly, software developers don't have the same kind of feedback loop. Thus any country that did not play into that system would compete on features over quality. I don't think that would have lasted. Same issue with "pausing" AI development in one country. | | |
| ▲ | stackghost 24 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | >While EE are basically held accountable by their employers Licensed engineers are technically held accountable by their peers. The definition of a profession (versus just a job) is that professionals as a group are self-regulating. That is why e.g. doctors can be disciplined by their College, and lawyers can be disbarred by the legal society. This is because Professional Engineering is actually a social process, not really a technical one. The work is technical, sure, but the reason we have Professional Engineers is because society realized long ago that letting any idiot build e.g. a bridge for public traffic is a bad idea. Society, via legislation, grants professional licensing bodies special privileges in return for exerting control over the practising members of that profession. The reason you don't see as many EEs (or aerospace) engineers with PEs is because the products that get produced in those specialties get certified in different ways. There's no bridge equivalent to the FCC, for example. | |
| ▲ | idiotsecant 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | There are definitely a ton of PE electrical engineers. The power industry - transmission, generation, distribution, is rife with them. | | |
| ▲ | vel0city 27 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I do agree there's tons of PE electrical engineers. I also think there's a massive number of job roles which relate to a BS/MS EE degrees where nobody really gives a shit if you have a stamp or not. |
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| ▲ | prettyblocks an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | In what dystopian black mirror alternate reality can anyone possibly perceive this as saving the profession of programming? It sounds like hell. | |
| ▲ | bellowsgulch 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I don't want this, but I do get what you're saying. What I really want is software engineers in our industry to stop behaving like such idiot losers who are begging to be jobless and give everything away for free. Doctors protect doctor's interests. Lawyers aren't idiots, they're professionals who run businesses with the express intent to make money. Software engineers seem to be just bright enough to make money, and just stupid enough to say, no no, please I'd prefer to be homeless, please take my job and automate me, offshore me, and devalue my salary out of existence all at once. | | |
| ▲ | derektank 42 minutes ago | parent [-] | | >Doctors protect doctor's interests. Lawyers aren't idiots, they're professionals who run businesses with the express intent to make money. And this is generally a bad thing, to be clear. It often comes in the form of rent seeking which should be fought tooth and nail by the rest of society. | | |
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| ▲ | matheusmoreira 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > just like lawyers or doctors won't Pretty big assumption. | |
| ▲ | mpalmer 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That would be doing the wrong thing for precisely the wrong reasons. | |
| ▲ | xyzzy123 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I can't tell if your comment is satire or not, so, bravo :) From my perspective what I always loved about "the profession" was a relative LACK of gatekeeping. I loved offensive security for the same reason, there was a long run where you really just needed to be able to hack, and if you could demonstrate that there was a job for you somewhere (for better or worse). Keeping the industry in its current form frozen in amber would be as weird as, I don't know, keeping horses & carriages in business by regulating scarcity of motor vehicle licenses. Not a great analogy but hopefully you see what I mean. |
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| ▲ | kharma414 3 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Well if u think about it. do we not go to college and pay to learn skills right? It is the same thing correct licening to obtain information that we are certified for. Instead just a free range of whatever we want. then there would be no regulation. Plus think about if the right information falls into the wrong hands. This is why the need for limitations. it is thus balanced to use Ai as more of a certified assisstant rather then just take over our jobs or careers. |
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| ▲ | kharma414 2 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| ECcouncil ADP frameworks |
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| ▲ | dash2 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I like this because it levels the spying gap between the US and China. With Red the CIA can probably penetrate some Chinese government sites. |
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| ▲ | intern4tional 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The requirement for hardware security keys ties the use of these models even tighter to a specific identity. This will limit ability to scale or share the model. |
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| ▲ | kmeisthax 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I guess Daybreak Blue is their attempt to fix the problem of Hugging Face getting iced out of being able to analyze the AI slopsploit attack chain they got hit with? I'm still not happy with putting defensive capabilities behind any sort of identification wall - mostly because when I'm inevitably 0wned by a misaligned[0] AI, I'm almost certainly not going to be granted access to these programs as I'm an un-sueable nobody. Also, if I did have access, I'd use it to jailbreak my iPad, which is probably considered an unauthorized / unsafe use. [0] Some guy in Australia's OpenClaw just hacked their gym |
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| ▲ | soundworlds an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Love that AI companies are now naming their models like Pokemon games |
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| ▲ | OutOfHere an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If you want freedom, use a model which anyone can use, not this access-restricted horror show. You will thank yourself later, such as when you change jobs. |
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| ▲ | adt 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| https://lifearchitect.ai/models-table/ |
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| ▲ | tamimio 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| These “safeguards” aren’t guarding anything tho, just yesterday I was pentesting something and 5.6 sol initially said that it can’t do xyz, I added 2 words at the end and it proceeded like it was nothing, follow up prompts I didn’t even add anything it just assumed and carried on normally. |
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| ▲ | derac 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| how did this not reach the front page? this is fascinating. |
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| ▲ | theplumber 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | What exactly is so fascinating? I would rather take Kimi K3 any day rather than go through this “Oracle Inc” like process and have it all recorded by OpenAI. I understand that “normal” people are let’s say “less concerned” about posting everything on something like Facebook but I expect more from OPSec people. | | |
| ▲ | RealWed5 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Now imagine that "Kimi K3" is tied to your WeChat QR code. | |
| ▲ | matheusmoreira 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | How do Kimi K3 subscriptions compare to OpenAI's in terms of price and usage? | | |
| ▲ | Footprint0521 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Kimi code with k256 (I’ve heard you can easily one shot implement a proxy to other providers, even with deepseek v4 flash, if you don’t want kimi code) has stupidly low rate limits for and cost, compared to OpenAI which has massive rate limits and more cost |
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| ▲ | derac 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Did you read their results? Impressive stuff. If this makes software more secure in general I'm all for it. | | |
| ▲ | bathtub365 an hour ago | parent [-] | | My expectation is that this just lets 3-letter agencies hoard more 0-days. They’ve always had the financial resources to find them using teams of people and this just multiplies this ability. | | |
| ▲ | weakened_malloc 34 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Maybe the tinfoil hat is also getting a little tight, but something like this is a giant repository of internal cybersec data being put into one place. The model will see what people are fixing and anyone peering in can make an educated guess on how long that vulnerability may continue existing because people don't update when they should - the alphabet boys wouldn't be able to keep their hand out of the cookie jar. |
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| ▲ | matheusmoreira 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > We couldn't start verification. You may not be eligible for this verification flow right now. Please try again later, or contact support if you think this is a mistake. > POST /backend-api/compliance/cyber_verification/persona/inquiries > 403 cyber_verification_precheck_failed All I did was open and close the Persona tab. Even Anthropic accepted me into their cyber program. |
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