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| ▲ | culi 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Nobody wants to license programming. The skillsets are far too diverse and rapidly changing anyways. What programmers could use though is a union |
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| ▲ | mexicojalisco 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Furthermore everybody should need a license from the government or industry to cook morning breakfast on the stove. Fire hazards and all. Could do real harm if something went wrong. |
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| ▲ | hbosch 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| How much will a license cost? Can it be earned? If granted, granted by whom? Can I use it across models? Does it need to be reassessed regularly? How often? If any of the above are more convenient than paying an engineer you aren’t any safer, the enterprise paying is just putting money in someone else’s pocket. |
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| ▲ | sroussey 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Most engineers have licenses in the engineering discipline, except Electric Engineers. Mechanical and Civil. Engineering is based on the constraints of physics thus applied to mankind uses. Now if you talk about software "engineers" (as i am one), that is quite fast and loose. Based on the damage done in some sectors, it would be interesting to see an alternative history where software required licenses and degrees. Certainly, the larger tech ecosystem would have moved more slowly, and products more expensive. While EE are basically held accountable by their employers, and the physics of it all requiring that things work correctly, software developers don't have the same kind of feedback loop. Thus any country that did not play into that system would compete on features over quality. I don't think that would have lasted. Same issue with "pausing" AI development in one country. | | |
| ▲ | stackghost 34 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | >While EE are basically held accountable by their employers Licensed engineers are technically held accountable by their peers. The definition of a profession (versus just a job) is that professionals as a group are self-regulating. That is why e.g. doctors can be disciplined by their College, and lawyers can be disbarred by the legal society. This is because Professional Engineering is actually a social process, not really a technical one. The work is technical, sure, but the reason we have Professional Engineers is because society realized long ago that letting any idiot build e.g. a bridge for public traffic is a bad idea. Society, via legislation, grants professional licensing bodies special privileges in return for exerting control over the practising members of that profession. The reason you don't see as many EEs (or aerospace) engineers with PEs is because the products that get produced in those specialties get certified in different ways. There's no bridge equivalent to the FCC, for example. | |
| ▲ | idiotsecant 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | There are definitely a ton of PE electrical engineers. The power industry - transmission, generation, distribution, is rife with them. | | |
| ▲ | vel0city 37 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I do agree there's tons of PE electrical engineers. I also think there's a massive number of job roles which relate to a BS/MS EE degrees where nobody really gives a shit if you have a stamp or not. |
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| ▲ | prettyblocks an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| In what dystopian black mirror alternate reality can anyone possibly perceive this as saving the profession of programming? It sounds like hell. |
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| ▲ | bellowsgulch 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I don't want this, but I do get what you're saying. What I really want is software engineers in our industry to stop behaving like such idiot losers who are begging to be jobless and give everything away for free. Doctors protect doctor's interests. Lawyers aren't idiots, they're professionals who run businesses with the express intent to make money. Software engineers seem to be just bright enough to make money, and just stupid enough to say, no no, please I'd prefer to be homeless, please take my job and automate me, offshore me, and devalue my salary out of existence all at once. |
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| ▲ | derektank an hour ago | parent [-] | | >Doctors protect doctor's interests. Lawyers aren't idiots, they're professionals who run businesses with the express intent to make money. And this is generally a bad thing, to be clear. It often comes in the form of rent seeking which should be fought tooth and nail by the rest of society. | | |
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| ▲ | matheusmoreira 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > just like lawyers or doctors won't Pretty big assumption. |
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| ▲ | mpalmer 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| That would be doing the wrong thing for precisely the wrong reasons. |
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| ▲ | xyzzy123 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I can't tell if your comment is satire or not, so, bravo :) From my perspective what I always loved about "the profession" was a relative LACK of gatekeeping. I loved offensive security for the same reason, there was a long run where you really just needed to be able to hack, and if you could demonstrate that there was a job for you somewhere (for better or worse). Keeping the industry in its current form frozen in amber would be as weird as, I don't know, keeping horses & carriages in business by regulating scarcity of motor vehicle licenses. Not a great analogy but hopefully you see what I mean. |
