| ▲ | lukan 3 hours ago |
| "We spent the last several months testing whether auto mode is as safe or safer than an average user clicking through prompts." Yeah, might make sense from their perspective, but no thank you. I also do click through at times without reading everything, but I like to stay in control, learn about the new code and change direction if it goes off track. This would just burn more tokens because I have to throw away much and I hope my manual approval settings will be respected also with future updates (or I jump ship). |
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| ▲ | levocardia 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| The default is set for the marginal new user, which at this point is probably not someone like you (who benefits a lot from manual mode) -- it's someone who's more "code-naive" and might get anxious about approving random bash script commands they don't recognize. Safely getting the user from prompt --> first vibe-coded app is the "user journey" now, and since auto mode seems pretty good at not letting Claude rm -rf'ing the home directory, this is 100% the right business move. For people who know what they're doing (like you), manual mode is just a shift-tab away |
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| ▲ | mcmcmc 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > it's someone who's more "code-naive" and might get anxious about approving random bash script commands they don't recognize. Maybe they should trust their instinct and not mess with things they don’t care to understand | | |
| ▲ | natpalmer1776 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It’s a brave new world. I recall hearing similar sentiments from linux sysadmins regarding cloud infrastructure. In many respects they were and continue to be correct. In other respects, the world doesn’t care about the loss in understanding as long as things work “well enough” for the cogs of society to keep turning. For those who do care (and have the aptitude) to understand things deeper there is always work to be had when “well enough” stops being good enough and someone has to unravel the “RDS queries are taking too long” problems that crop up as a result. | |
| ▲ | 9dev an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What an awful position to take. Tech used to be about becoming more accessible to people! now we have a magical assistant to make computers do what you want with natural language, and your desire is gate keeping that so only programmers can use it to write software for themselves? | |
| ▲ | Certhas 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I am using many many many things that I don't understand. Cars, public transport, etc... I review and test the end product, not every tiny step along the way. If the LLM uses some command line tools I have never heard of to create a model I can verify, why should I learn a tool that is completely irrelevant to my core expertise? | | |
| ▲ | jason1cho an hour ago | parent [-] | | Many many people care more than the end product, for example whether a shirt is made of cotton with the forced labor, carbon emissions of public transport, etc. In terms of engineering software, you care the cost. An intelligent agent may try to read unnecessary files and it's time to stop it to save tokens and avoid polluting the context. | | |
| ▲ | usef- 19 minutes ago | parent [-] | | He didn't advocate for being completely blind in every way. You might care about working conditions without understanding how the textiles, dyes or cotton production works. These non-programmers probably shouldnt use computers at all, right, since they don't understand them? |
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| ▲ | vikramkr 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I don't think the marginal new user is anxious about approving messages - I think they're quickly annoyed by permissions prompt they don't understand and quickly get in the habit of approving everything or figuring out how to set bypass permissions on | |
| ▲ | lukan 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I am actually curious, how much non programmers use claude now. I know just one and she really does not know much about computers, I suppose their numbers will grow (but I doubt most get much value out of it). | | |
| ▲ | jason1cho an hour ago | parent [-] | | I think a lot of non programmers use Claude. I mean if you don't care code, you are essentially a product manager who gives instructions to your programmers (whether humans or intelligent agents). Then if you use the created product, you are at best a test engineer if not just an ordinary user. I think in the era of AI, people get tools they want in an expensive way. Rather than finding an existing tool, they ask an intelligent agent to parrot one, which guarantees no safety, security, efficiency, and accuracy. Yet, being able to use Claude makes them feel smart and productive (in parroting wheels). |
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| ▲ | etoxin 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| At this stage with the latest models with "increased persistence" and the sheer amount of supply chain attacks, you'd be insane not running these tools in a sandbox. |
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| ▲ | fender256 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Exactly. Claude in a VM is the way to go. | | |
| ▲ | pianopatrick 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Might be more secure to get a real laptop and treat Claude as any other human worker. I.e. apply all the normal sysadmin tools that manage laptops for people to manage the laptop for Claude | |
| ▲ | trvz 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | A VM hosted by someone else. Somethig on your personal notebook or the proxmox server in your garage is still too risky. | | |
| ▲ | supermatt 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Why are 3rd party hosted VMs safer than your own? | | |
| ▲ | trvz 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | They're not. When things go wrong it's better to compromise someone else's VM host than your own computer. It's only a matter of time now until AI will find novel ways to break out of virtualisation. | | |
| ▲ | faeyanpiraat an hour ago | parent [-] | | In the short term wouldnt a “dont escape” prompt prevent this? Also if it started being widespread wouldnt Anthropic specifically train new models against doing it? | | |
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| ▲ | chrysoprace 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Having used a bit of a mix of Claude Desktop and Claude Code lately, I discovered that Claude Desktop just times out when it asks you for a decision, and just goes ahead with the action anyway. There is no way to turn this off that I've found, unlike Claude Code where you can ask it to never time out. |
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| ▲ | dgellow 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | We need a term that is stronger than dark pattern | | | |
| ▲ | lukan 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Oh yes, over this I also stumbled recently (with Claude CLI) and was annoyed much by it. Is there really no setting to turn it off? |
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| ▲ | bpodgursky 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I think you are confusing auto mode with dangerously skip permissions. |
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| ▲ | lukan 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Auto mode means I don't decide over code changes and command execution? Yeah I don't use that, nor want to. | | |
| ▲ | bpodgursky 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > I also do click through at times without reading everything, but I like to stay in control Respectfully I'm not sure you totally know what you want. If you're already clicking through without actually reading, it's not really better than reading the specific things Claude Code thinks are important for you to weigh in on. | | |
| ▲ | lukan 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | "without actually reading" and "without reading everything" is big difference. I skim what claude wants to do. What file it wants to modify. What are the new function names. Skimming is enough for me to know whether it is still on the right path. If you like to work different, go ahead. | | |
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| ▲ | techpression an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Burning more tokens is definitely in their best interest, users not so much. |
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| ▲ | yumraj 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Similar work flow. I have to, at times keep reminding it if it did code review before committing, which it fails to do at times. Also, even a glance at times has revealed issues that I’ve had to discuss and undo etc. But yes, it gets very tiring just having to click yes yes yes.. |
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