Fun and useful PR jargon to describe what this post smells like: a “limited hangout”.

(a damage-control strategy where an organization or individual admits to a portion of a secret or scandal after a cover story fails, while still hiding the most damaging key facts.)

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msdz 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It’s really pitiful, because I was ready to leave a comment saying how actual apologies and taking responsibility have gotten rather rare (mostly because they leave the publishing party with lasting feelings of cringe/shame/other consequences), wanting to applaud at least that among this mess; but then reading on I got the same impression.

An LLM/agent harness generally doesn’t just claim another project wholesale, including specific bugs, as the base of your idea, unless you ask it to.

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Aurornis 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Interesting! I had never heard that phrase before. The words are non-intuitive, but that's exactly what's happening: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_hangout

Now that you've introduced the phrase I can see it in a lot of recent scandals.

Peter Attia, a popular health and longevity podcaster who was revealed to have substantial ties to Jeffrey Epstein used this exact trick recently. When the Epstein e-mails were released it was discovered that he continued to consort with Epstein after all of the revelations. Even worse, he talked to Epstein about the fallout from the accusations and continued to cozy up to him. He was trying to run a very expensive concierge medical clinic and relied on Epstein's connections to get more clients, so he wanted to continue keeping that relationship warm.

When the e-mails came out he issued a public non-apology that implied he had no idea about any of Epstein's activities. It was plausible enough if you never saw the actual e-mails and thought Epstein was just another contact in his network, but the actual e-mails revealed that he was continuing to converse with Epstein after the revelations, including about the revelations!

So "limited hangout" is precisely what he and his PR team tried to execute. It seems to have worked on a limited set of his fan base who still try to downplay his Epstein connections to this day. The e-mails are easy to find, though.

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Nevermark 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> [...] a “limited hangout”.

>> The words are non-intuitive

Yeah.

"Incomplete mea culpa", "Incomplete admission", "Incomplete penance", "Incomplete contrition", "Incomplete remorse", actually say "the thing" instead of using a new random phrase.

I like "incomplete contrition" or "gas light remorse".

	▲	pohl 19 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I suppose it could be that if one’s intent is to mislead, then obfuscating the name of a technique specifically meant for that purpose is a feature, not a bug.
	▲	Aurornis 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		> actually say "the thing" instead of using a new random phrase Apparently the phrase is very old, pre-dating the internet. It came out of the CIA. In this context hangout is a clipped form of "letting it all hang out" So it's saying you're putting on the appearance of letting it all hang out, but the information revealed is limited.
	▲	detourdog an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		I think it's based on the phrase hung out to dry. This is a limited hangout where you may still be damp.