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| ▲ | Timon3 a day ago | parent [-] | | So your solution is to ban the sale of any kind of knife. Sucks that people can't really cook at home anymore, but do we have to make it trivially easy for murderers? | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz a day ago | parent [-] | | > So your solution is to ban the sale of any kind of knife. If you give a toddler a butcher's knife to play with and they get hurt, you'll likely get in trouble for child endangerment. Using my car requires it be registered, pass my state's safety standards, and that I possess a valid license and follow a wide variety of rules. Maybe a certain level of protection is, at times, acceptable? | | |
| ▲ | Rohansi a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Those are very different scenarios because your "protection" is the threat of consequences. You can freely buy and use knives, you can drive your own car, but you can only use your phone to do what Apple approves of? Sure, banning knives, replacing cars with public transport, and locking down all computers should be safer in theory... but murderers will still murder and scammers will still scam. Social engineering is the weakest link even if your grandma is doing all her banking on Windows XP. | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz a day ago | parent | next [-] | | > You can freely buy and use knives… No, not necessarily. Quite a few countries have restrictions on knives, including some parts of the US - a switchblade will get you in trouble in NYC. > you can drive your own car Only in approved ways! Hell, you'll get in trouble if your gasoline is the wrong color. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_dye#Fuel_dye_in_North_Ame... "Detection of red-dyed fuel in the fuel system of an on-road vehicle will incur substantial penalties." > murderers will still murder and scammers will still scam Do we not take steps to try and reduce murder? | | |
| ▲ | Rohansi a day ago | parent [-] | | > Hell, you'll get in trouble if your gasoline is the wrong color. You've missed my point even though it's right in front of you. You won't get in trouble for using your Apple device in non-approved ways because it doesn't let you. Would you ban cars for everyone because it's not safe for grandma to drive anymore? Probably not - so why lock down devices for everyone? > Do we not take steps to try and reduce murder? Not directly? Gun/knife control probably helps but people willing to risk the consequences of murder are not going to care about breaking more laws to get illegal weapons. Or just use a weapon that's easy to get. | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz a day ago | parent [-] | | > You won't get in trouble for using your Apple device in non-approved ways because it doesn't let you. The government won't let me use my car in non-approved ways. They will, in fact, stop me with guns at times. I'm not even allowed to purchase some items, let alone use as I please. I'm allowed to buy (or sell) a https://www.fairphone.com/ style device! But no one really wants them. | | |
| ▲ | Rohansi a day ago | parent [-] | | > But no one really wants them. Not relevant. Most people don't choose their phone/platform based on how much freedom it gives you. An iPhone is a very good phone overall but the restrictions are unfortunately bundled in. You're obviously fine with it but it is only going to get worse in the future. The whole Android developer verification thing is a step in the same direction from Google's side. Eventually macOS will be locked down or even phased out - most young people just do everything on their phone now so why not? I don't want to accept that future so I'm not supporting platforms that restrict it. |
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| ▲ | NetMageSCW 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | When did Apple hold a gun to your head and make you buy an iPhone? | | |
| ▲ | Rohansi 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | They didn't, and I don't have one, but it's looking like Android phones are going to be locked down in the future too. Everything else will slowly lose compatibility with the apps you need. |
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| ▲ | preg_match 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > If you give a toddler a butcher's knife to play with and they get hurt, you'll likely get in trouble for child endangerment. Right but granny is not a child, she is kind of the opposite of a child. You're essentially saying we should child proof the entire world, right. Appeal to the lowest common denominator and DO NOT offer back doors. But that's a plainly ridiculous notion and everyone knows it. This argument only works on smartphones right now because it's the status-quo. As soon as you extend it to literally any other domain, it immediately crumbles and falls between your fingers. Yes, there IS a certain level of protection that is acceptable at all times. But that level is absolutely not "maximum protection, no other options sorry". Which is what Apple is trying to do. This really is "no sale of knives" type stuff. That sounds ridiculous, right? Because it is, and we let Apple get away with murder. | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz 17 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Right but granny is not a child, she is kind of the opposite of a child. The failure modes are often quite similar - cognitive/motor issues and lack of experience with the tools offered. > Appeal to the lowest common denominator and DO NOT offer back doors. Back doors accessible by scammers are bad for the same reasons back doors accessible by governments are. > This really is "no sale of knives" type stuff. That sounds ridiculous, right? Because it is, and we let Apple get away with murder. Apple's more like a shop that declines to sell knives. There are other shops that will sell you one. | | |
| ▲ | Rohansi 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | > The failure modes are often quite similar - cognitive/motor issues and lack of experience with the tools offered. Children are either not allowed to have devices, or they have them but locked down with parental controls (hopefully). Apple could easily have a separate mode for this. Maybe there's some overlap with lockdown mode where it can be bundled together. There is no reason to force it on everyone except to benefit Apple. |
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