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drivebyhooting a day ago

I think the next bottleneck is embodiment. AI can lay the best laid plans, but who will execute it?

I think a possible solution to the dual problems of AI embodiment and unemployment is humans becoming avatars for AI. Imagine one of the unskilled masses donning a headset and being guided through all manner of work?

Roofing, ACHVAC, stocking shelves, etc…

No need to train anybody.

3ot a day ago | parent | next [-]

It‘s actually stunning how inhumane this suggestion is. Especially, in the way it‘s made in the purely functional sense of human value as means of productivity and efficiency.

Maybe I‘m missing the joke though.

drivebyhooting a day ago | parent [-]

What say you of warehouse workers? Of restaurant staff? These exist today and are dehumanized in much the same way, but perhaps with lesser effect.

Don’t mistake my ill portent for enthusiasm. I merely foretell.

3ot 21 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Obviously the same, when they are viewed through the same lens. And yes, I probably missed the sarcasm in your wording.

KPGv2 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Don’t mistake my ill portent for enthusiasm. I merely foretell.

Your choice of the word "solution" was the upsetting part. It implies a problem, and given your solution is "robot bosses tell human servants what to do using headsets," the implied problem is "how can we create a system where robot bosses can direct human servants?"

bluGill a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A human with experience can do without AI the job a lot faster than someone without can do it with. The expert HVAC tech can get the wrench of the fitting and have the job done faster than the novice. The novice will take longer to follow directions to get the right wrench; then they have to figure out how to get it on - something the expert does automatically isn't easy; then turn it the right direction... The expert also knows the correct "feel" so they won't over tighten, while still having less leaks to fix (both will check, but the expert will find less)

If I'm in my remote cabin I'm still faster than calling a tech, but in my city I can hire someone to do this who is faster. (though perhaps not cheaper)

drivebyhooting a day ago | parent [-]

In my city I call a handyman to fix my dryer and guess what? He uses chatGPT to help him through the issue. $350

Beyond a basic amount of manual dexterity and familiarity with mechanical things, AI can absolutely help guide an untrained person through the job.

How about medical research? Endless hours of pipetting. Does it really take a phd? It takes someone with conscientiousness and care. Both things an AI overlord would help with.

bluGill a day ago | parent | next [-]

You called a handyman not an appliance specialist. A handyman already is compromising specific knowledge for can figure out it out.

Maybe the right decision there but you have others.

KPGv2 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> In my city I call a handyman to fix my dryer and guess what? He uses chatGPT to help him through the issue. $350

Well it sounds like you made a mistake calling for help when it's apparently that easy.

drivebyhooting 17 hours ago | parent [-]

And changing your car oil is easy. Vacuuming and dusting the house is easy. Many easy things.

Too many for me to do all.

rubinlinux 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There is a Novel about this: Manna, by Marchall Brian. Their website that used to host it is down but here is the wayback version from 2019: https://web.archive.org/web/20190312023349/http://marshallbr...

In it, employees wore headsets run by the AI which instruct them task by task:

"Jane, when you are through with this customer, please close your register. Then we will clean the women's restroom."

Manna: "Place the 'wet floor' warning cone outside the door please."

When Jane completed the task, she would speak the word "OK" into her headset and Manna moved to the next step in the restroom cleaning procedure.

Manna: "Please block the door open with the door stop."

Jane: "OK."

Manna: "Please retrieve the bucket and mop from the supply closet."

Jane: "OK."

utopiah a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Imagine one of the unskilled masses donning a headset and being guided through all manner of work?

No need to imagine nor AI for this, it can be either JSON guides on AR, e.g. Daqri for more than a decade, or remote work in VR (6 years ago or more https://www.inceptivemind.com/remote-controlled-model-t-robo... )

watwut a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It is total wonder why people hate pro-ai crowd ...

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simiones a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"Solution" seems rather euphemistic for making people literal slaves of AI.

ta988 a day ago | parent [-]

Not of AI, of the owners and steerers of the AI systems.

robofanatic a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> but who will execute it?

AI?

bitwize 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As in the title character of Marshall Brain's story "Manna".

Or the AI could threaten humans into compliance, as in the 2008 film Eagle Eye.

Lutger a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Robots being able to perform any task a human can do, physically, doesn't seem that far off. They would be powered by AI of course.

The question is: do we still have to work? If not, who will take all the wealth?

We thought the washing machine would have giving us so much free time, because it used to take a full day a week. Instead, we only got more frantic it seems and started putting in more labor. But what will happen when that labor is worthless?

In a dystopian world, the elite may be better off just killing the lower, middle and even the higher classes. Keep just enough people to have an interesting gene pool around. Because even in the space mines there will be no need for human labor anymore.

bluGill a day ago | parent | next [-]

Even with more fabric, doing laundry takes a fraction of time it used it. We replaced most of that time with something else.

drivebyhooting a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For the present, human bodies are far more capable than robotic ones.

bitwize 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Appliances like the washing machine literally killed the market for "hired help" in the anglosphere. In-house servants used to be relatively common among the middle and upper classes; with the aid of electrical appliances, the time/money costs of doing the laundry, dishes, and so forth went down so far that only the very rich care to hire servants as a mark of status.

Lutger 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes, but that didn't translate to 'lots of free time'. We went on to do other stuff, like fast food, advertisement, entertainment, financial work, etc.