| ▲ | zmmmmm 3 hours ago |
| To me there are different motivations to include imagery and some of them are just fine with AI generation. If the imagery actually goes to the substance of helping to illustrate or explain the actual content then it seems very superficial to reject it based on how it was generated. In fact it is kind of stupid to insist someone slavishly draw something by hand that could have been done an easier way. The problem comes when the imagery is placed as a false value signal. If it is designed to send a signal of "this content took a lot of effort to produce because an image that would be hard for a human to make is attached to it" - but the image was generated without that effort, then it's basically a lie and insult to the reader. |
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| ▲ | bonoboTP 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| It's like styrofoam stucco on the ceiling. Decoration and ornament have served always to signal extra effort that went into something, signaling that it is considered important and valued by the maker/owner. But people also have incentive to do cheaper mimicry. And then the viewers have incentive to distinguish real from fake to see where true, scarce effort went. These dynamics are crucial for understanding the feelings and emotions around AI. Value is almost never in the thing itself or some inherent quality but in the social signals and relationships. (somewhat less true in very utilitarian engineering machinery or for sustenance level basic necessities). |
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| ▲ | Gigachad 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | In a blog, real images signify you spent a lot of time creating the post, it was very important to you, and you likely made sure the details in the text were accurate. While AI images in a blog signify low effort high volume posting where the text likely was just copied from AI without any care. | | |
| ▲ | bonoboTP 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The article author should have specified more closely which type of image. Stock image sites had already made generic photos and drawings cheap to include. And indeed they look cheap. The more airbrushed and high quality the cheaper it looks. If a dentist website has cheap beautiful stock nurse photos, it's less valued than real photos taken by a photographer at their location. | | |
| ▲ | PaulHoule 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Once in a while you get a good one, one that stands out among all the others, and that's a worse outcome because the same image will be used by everybody including your competitors. | |
| ▲ | mosura 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | At that point why have images at all? Just go full American Psycho eggshell business card. | | | |
| ▲ | ToucanLoucan an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's hard to articulate this stuff, and especially hard to explain it to the AI infatuated among us because they don't really want to understand why people dislike the tooling they're obsessed with. AI is good at many things, digesting vast quantities of information, and code being most of them. Everything else to me looks/sounds like shit. AI music sounds dull and overproduced in a way that a lot of middling pop music does. AI images look overtuned and strange in the same way a magazine editor would, if they had no self control with their tools. It just... looks bad. As an aesthetic. If you are not aesthetically minded, you may not care, or you may not be able to tell, and that's fine. But I am and I can and if I open your blog post and see AI crap, I'm leaving. I'm not asking anyone else to, and I don't give a shit if my best friend in the world wants to beat his meat to your AI generated sunset, good for him, I hope he has a great time. But I'm not interested. Why these super-pro-AI people take this as such a personal slight is strange to me. You didn't care enough to actually make something, what are you offended if I tell you I don't really want to look at it? | | |
| ▲ | bonoboTP 7 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The tools are getting better and often that overproduced thing is the toupee effect, where you don't notice the better ones. The generic look can be avoided with more customized prompting. You can make much more natural songs with longer prompts, a bit of quickly self-sung melodies you add as references, even if you can't sing. Similarly for images, sketching something out in paint can make a huge difference or just iterating 2 or 3 times and not accepting the first result. And the tools are going to get better too. |
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| ▲ | orangedog 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I don't think it signifies any of those things. This is all new stuff. Some people have decided to offload image-creation to machines because what they care about is the text. This stuff you say it signifies, it says more about you than them. | | |
| ▲ | michaelt 42 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Some use of hero images by bloggers is a deliberate style choice, to emulate the norms of professional journalism. A lot of traditional news outlets have a style rule that every article must have an image. Look at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news https://www.nytimes.com/ https://www.economist.com etc - every article has an image. Even a report on something highly abstract - "BP reports record profits" - will be illustrated with a photograph of some BP-branded fuel pumps. Stories on things like cybersecurity and inflation get generic images like snippets of blurry computer code, banknotes etc. Some bloggers feel their blog is improved by adopting the style of professional journalism, and (among other things) put an image on every article. Even if for a programming blog good lead images are hard to come by. Interestingly, professional journalism organisations often have pretty strict codes of practice about images, and photoshop use. They have rules on everything from illustrating one rocket launch with a photo of another to posing the subjects to colour-correcting images to creating multi-image collages. So I don't imagine we'll see many AI-generated images in traditional news outlets any time soon. | | |
| ▲ | ghaff 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | People who know more about the topic than I do will argue for a default image for an online article for SEO and other reasons. Online pubs I've done stuff for would usually take a good/relevant photo if you have one. But, otherwise, would generally use some fairly generic stock graphic from some service they subscribed to. Same goes for book covers. You probably need something unless you want to look really generic and cheap. But I'm mostly not going to pay a designer hundreds+ of dollars for a cover of an independently published book. I have had a former colleague who is actually good with this sort of thing do it in the past. I've also done a crappy job myself, done it in conjunction with a publisher (for whom I had the supply the cover image), and, yes, used generative AI/Photoshop. | |
| ▲ | graemep 9 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Interestingly, professional journalism organisations often have pretty strict codes of practice about images, and photoshop use. I seem to recall many instances of the use of incorrect photos, and the earliest I heard of was in the The Guardian in the 1980s before the general decline in media quality and standards. |
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| ▲ | bee_rider an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yeah, everyone knows the best content is on a professor’s site from the 90’s, with no images. Maybe some figures, but if so, they should look like they were printed, physically cut out, and then scanned. Bonus points if the background of the image absolutely does not match the color of the webpage. So now we have this low-effort image generation tool. At least it doesn’t indicate that the author wasted a substantial amount of time looking at pictures. Still a silly waste of time, but at least it is a small one. | |
| ▲ | qlm 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If you don't care about the images then don't have images. | | |
| ▲ | duplessitous an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | No one ever said they didn't want images, this is a non-sequiturs | | |
| ▲ | mejutoco an hour ago | parent [-] | | > Some people have decided to offload image-creation to machines because what they care about is the text. | | |
| ▲ | duplessitous 32 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Thank you for providing the text that reaffirms my statement. If you have the time to copy and past someone else's text, you should take the time to actually read it |
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| ▲ | intrasight an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Or just have a podcast so that you don't have the option to have images. | | |
| ▲ | pluralmonad 33 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It bothers my brain when a longtime followed podcast changes their cover image. You conditioned my brain for years to a certain image and pattern and now you change it? How dare you! |
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| ▲ | bonoboTP 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's about experience visiting many sites and spotting a correlation. There is a very bottom of slop, the equivalent of the chumbox from earlier. But on the higher end it may be more like you say. If there are other indicators of quality, I wouldn't penalize it for AI use. It's like having lots of piercings and torn clothes and tattoos. You may be a genius scholar who is kinda into this as a hobby or you may be an actual lowlife who can't hold down a job and gets into trouble with the law all the time. People will always make snap judgments, you can't inspect every website in detail. So if you use AI, make sure there are some other signals of quality. |
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| ▲ | mrloopex an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Stucco on the ceiling is done to hide imperfections from hastily installed drywall. In cheap housing constructing, every step hides the previous steps mistakes. Framing - drywall - trim - texturing - painting - decorating. | |
| ▲ | RandomLensman 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That is one use. Images (incl. icons) can also be there to structure text and provide visual clues on what is where. | |
| ▲ | PunchyHamster 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's weird to observe that trend in house decor, first it was mark of wealth, after that when cheaper methods to replicate the look (and some might be even more smooth than doing it by hand) it flew down to cheaper and cheaper had that look, while "wealthy" moved to simpler one, often just showing off amount of space or some expensive material used. And now more simple looks trickled down too |
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| ▲ | michaelt 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The most important thing to keep in mind, when considering AI images for helping to illustrate or explain the actual content, is that AI-generated images have a big trust problem. Take a look at the Google Image Search results for 'Engine Diagram'
https://www.google.com/search?q=Engine+Diagram&tbm=isch In the first row I get two correct-looking diagrams, then a load of AI-generated ones. Three cylinder heads for four cylinders? Two crankshafts? Oil pan labelled Crankshaft? Oil pan labelled Connect in rod? A four-cylinder engine with seven valve springs? Parts labelled up to 39 but a 9-item key? Spark plug wires that loop back on themselves? A crank shaft where the pistons aren't offset in phase? Four-cylinder engines whose exhaust manifolds have three or five openings? Then in the second row, I get "Parts of a V6 engine" showing a four-cylinder engine - with an 'Exhaust malvol', an 'extaust manivol', an 'exsoust manivol' an 'oilolaivt manivol' Savvy technical audiences have noticed this - and so when a diagram has a whiff of AI about it, they become extremely skeptical and distracted. Personally I only use AI-generated diagrams very sparingly, and very carefully. |
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| ▲ | voakbasda 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | To be fair, the problems you describe existed before AI, though I concede it has gotten worse. What baffles me is why anyone would think it a good idea to post and host these images? What’s that upside? | | | |
| ▲ | PunchyHamster an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Diagram-wise I had better luck in telling it to make a text version for diagram generator, not only AI edits tend to be more correct, it's easier to fix any errors too. As a bonus you can then prompt AI to validate whether the diagram matches article and vice versa, I've caught some small bugs like that when we migrated our docs | | |
| ▲ | DaiPlusPlus 35 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > you can then prompt AI to validate whether the diagram matches article and vice versa No repro with Nano Banana with an infographic prompt. |
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| ▲ | Thanemate 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >In fact it is kind of stupid to insist someone slavishly draw something by hand that could have been done an easier way. Communicating low effort used to be insulting to the consumer, yet now I'm expected to praise it? I understand that we're not talking about monetary exchange, but we're still talking about my finite time in this world, time that I could've been invest reading or looking at something else. So we're going back to my favorite adage these days: If you cannot spend time writing it, I refuse to spend time reading it. In fact, the moment I realize someone's content is AI generated, I just feed the links (youtube -> transcript, blog posts -> link) to chatGPT and have it generate a summary. That's because if you're in favor of using your time efficiently then so am I. |
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| ▲ | RandomLensman 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Should everyone draw their icons by hand, too? | | |
| ▲ | officeplant 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Clipart exists, free use art exists, the Gimp Green Pepper stamp tool exists. I would read a blog with extensive pepper stamp art before something with over the top hacker aesthetic AI generated slop art. | | |
| ▲ | RandomLensman 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | So what about the use of the odd AI generated icon, not some extensive use? | | |
| ▲ | PunchyHamster an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | The thing is that if you do it "right" (screen usage, correct when it is needed), it probably won't be noticed as AI in the first place. | |
| ▲ | officeplant 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Gotta use the green pepper stamp tool for bullet points. /s Little icons would be less noticeable at least. |
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| ▲ | brightball 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The only reason most of my blog posts have an image at all is because social media seems to want some type of thumbnail image to go with the post. If I don't have something, many of them seem to just grab my logo instead which seems...spammier. I try to find something better when I can, but the need to put something on every post is exhausting. |
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| ▲ | richinfante 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | This is my take. Most of my (https://rich.sh/blog) blog posts, are of actual things I can screenshot or take a photo of, and if I can I'll use that. But, for abstract posts, random bits of code, notes, etc - it looks bad to have them be all the same generic icon or my headshot for them it seems off-putting. I'm not a graphic artist, so I instead use MidJourney generated icons for social / post icons that match the topic of the post. |
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| ▲ | warpspin 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This. If it's actually an illustrative part of the text, include it, even if it's AI generated. Not everyone who can write can do graphics. If it's only decoration, leave it out. No matter whether AI, stock or custom made. |
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| ▲ | monkeywork 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | For most people your blog is really for you, and if anyone is reading it on the regular than bonus points... but the vast majority of the planet who runs a blog the traffic is very low. So do with it as you wish, if you enjoy playing with AI and having it assist you with any part of it it's your corner of the net do with it as you absolutely wish and everyone else can kick rocks. | |
| ▲ | jerkstate 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | not everyone who can think and solve interesting problems can write prose well, but there's still a lot of complaining about AI-generated text. | | |
| ▲ | cpburns2009 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You can use AI as part of your editing process. But it needs to be a process, back and forth with human input, and human editing at the end. What people primarily complain about it pure AI text. It has sentences a paragraph long using every punctuation mark invented by man. If you look at book you'll notice the same style of punctuation used but it'll be at 10% of the rate. You won't see n/m-dashes, commas, colons, semi-colons, and parentheses all used in a single sentence. | |
| ▲ | fidotron an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | One of the most tedious ideas of recent years is the "great engineers are great writers" meme, unsurprisingly spread by writers. | |
| ▲ | seba_dos1 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | One of the reasons is that, most of the time, LLMs can't do graphics or write prose well enough either; otherwise it wouldn't reek of LLMs so much to people who put some effort to read it. Also, even poor writing or drawing can be elevated with some intentionality and personality, and using LLMs pretty much guarantees blandness. |
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| ▲ | amelius 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| True until LLMs become smarter than humans. At that point, you __want__ the AI generated image because it signals that AI was used. |
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| ▲ | pjio an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Best case it won't make a difference and trust is the norm again (imo). Even if artificial super intelligence will be a thing, it will drown in the swamp that is communication just like all super intelligent humans do. | |
| ▲ | DaiPlusPlus 26 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | “AI signals” are not a hallmark of quality; it’s the other way around. A superintelligent LLM/agent that wants its content to be read by humans (…which itself is suspicious - if not ominous) is not going to dress itself up as a slop-farm. Also I’d like to remind all the AI boosters and LLM glazers in the audience here that if something is interesting enough to read, it will be interesting enough to write; if you outsource production to an agent then it tells me you don’t actually care about the output, and I won’t care to read it. |
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| ▲ | SecretDreams 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > The problem comes when the imagery is placed as a false value signal. If it is designed to send a signal of "this content took a lot of effort to produce because an image that would be hard for a human to make is attached to it" - but the image was generated without that effort, then it's basically a lie and insult to the reader. Well, the issue is the majority of AI images seems to fall into this category, which then trains my brain to treat all AI images in this way, rather than sifting for the few golden use cases where it's legitimately adding value. At work, for example, I'm more likely to go brains off if someone presenting content shows an AI generated image in their slides. |
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| ▲ | Gigachad 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You can call it superficial, but I’m not reading your AI blog, I’m not eating at your restaurant with AI food pictures, and I’m not listening to your AI music. I’m quite happy without all the slop. |
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| ▲ | onlyrealcuzzo 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| For every AI snob that's not reading an article because they see an AI image, there's 10 non-snobs who appreciate a decent usage. If you're creating complete slop, no one is reading your article in the first place. Full stop. The image doesn't matter. As with anything, it's about what you created, and creating at all - not the tool you used to create. The snobs and haters will continue to b!tch and moan. They always have. Always will. Your two cent elitist opinions are still only worth two cents. |
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| ▲ | sunrunner 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > it's about what you created But you didn't create anything in this case. Not the images at least. Which then casts doubt on the rest of the writing in said blog post. | | |
| ▲ | onlyrealcuzzo 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | But you didn't create anything if you used Photoshop... You didn't create anything if you used synth and autotune... You didn't do any scientific research if you used a calculator. You didn't do anything if you just piped together two programs. I've heard it all before. Gate keepers wanna keep the gate as long as they can. | | |
| ▲ | Hoasi 39 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I’ve heard this gatekeeping argument before, but it’s not convincing. Nobody prevents anyone from doing anything with any tool of their choosing; nobody prevents anyone from writing (or doing art or any other business, really). There is no gatekeeping or democratization of art needed either. If you just prompt an image, it has zero value, and if your blog is just a copy-paste from any LLM, what’s even the point? Prompting an entire article is a waste of time for everyone. Just outsource all thinking already. Oftentimes a generated illustration signals that. Laziness, lack of discernment. Low consciousness, cheating. (Not always of course, sometimes you just want an illustration for your blog, no big deal! Use AI!)
That said, writing doesn’t need to be streamlined like a production line. People immediately feel when you haven’t put the work. This point against “gatekeepers” is a very lazy argument. And the same can be said about taste. Taste comes from learning and learning is practice. No wonder people are put off by generated “content”. | |
| ▲ | qarl2 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Don't forget photography. Photography is going to destroy art, don't you know. | |
| ▲ | sunrunner 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You probably put a fair amount more effort and intention in than from just writing a text prompt, I'd wager. All of those examples would require you to at least have some kind of idea about your intended output. | | |
| ▲ | dahart 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > at least have some kind of idea about your intended output. Isn’t that what a prompt literally is? |
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| ▲ | atomicfiredoll 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | These statements are factually untrue or overly broad to the extent of being nonsensical. Hopefully, you can see how that would come off as incredibly disingenuous. [E.g. what did they autotune? What did they Photoshop? Probably some creative work that they or somebody else made.] [Edit: Further, these don't really line up with what the comment you're responding to is saying. If all you did was write a prompt for an image, it gives the impression that you may have done the same for the text. At that point, if I care about what the AI has to say, I can just write a prompt to an AI myself.] |
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| ▲ | derektank 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There is an artistry in assembling other art into a single cohesive piece. The film director doesn’t design the sets or give the performances or do the makeup, but they place an authorial stamp on the production by selecting what will and will not end up in the frame. | | |
| ▲ | byronturncoat 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | There is artistry in assembling other art into a single cohesive piece. A film is a collection of the work of artists and performers. Combining AI imagery and AI text together does not make art, because none of the constituent parts are art. A few prompts do not make art. | | |
| ▲ | orangedog 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Writing a blog post is a creative effort, selecting a few pieces (generated or not) is creative, too, whether it is up to your standards are not. The gatekeeping on this is crazy. I really wonder how artists discussed photography and other advances. | | |
| ▲ | byronturncoat an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | If you write a blog post, yes that is creative. If an AI does it, it's no longer creative, it's derivative (by definition). Selecting AI images for one's blog is technically creativity (akin to decorating), but in the most hollow way possible. If you compare this scenario to photography and art, it's pretty clear you've not actually participated in that community | | |
| ▲ | orangedog an hour ago | parent [-] | | Somebody still has to prompt it, there is a creative task. Somebody still has to curate it, that too is a creative task. I was comparing this to when photography first came onto the scene not today, but I'm tired of the gatekeeping (which you retreated back into) which says this isn't art when as with every creative process, it is derivative and creative. People already splice together videos of generated clips. Is that not creative? It's just gatekeeping. People in a few years (or already) or in a generation won't be this pedantic about it. | | |
| ▲ | byronturncoat an hour ago | parent [-] | | If you use the definition of "creative" in that someone creates, sure, you can make your argument. Most people, however, include a level of imagination and effort in their qualifications of whether something is creative. An AI prompt does not meet the bar of "creativity" for most people. Curating AI slop similarly does not meet this bar. Your personal bar may well be on the floor, but that is not representative of most people, in my experience. You're using your definition of "creative" and "art" interchangeably, which lacks nuance and respect for art. The reference to the arrival of photography similarly lacks nuance and respect for artists and art. Art and creativity have a human element, they evoke emotions. As soon as you delegate the process to an LLM, you've disrespected that human element if you try to pass it off as creative or art. You can call it "gatekeeping" if you want to, but I see it as basic respect for other humans and human imagination and effort. | | |
| ▲ | orangedog an hour ago | parent [-] | | Yeah I just don't think there is anything special about "art" and I don't think there is some specific definition for what art is. People create that's art. You can put different amounts of time and effort into it but I think it's just as lacking in imagination or respect for human creativity to distill this down to he worst case. If somebody spends hours prompting various resources and curating it, is that then "slop"? I don't think it is, it's just as sustained a creative effort, regardless of the tool used. You are saying that the 10-20 minute clips that people have put together of generated vid of various series (like Star Wars) isn't art? There are entire stories told using this method. It's not art? | | |
| ▲ | byronturncoat 35 minutes ago | parent [-] | | To summarize, this is a "you" problem. Just because YOU do not think there's anything special about art, it does not mean there isn't. Your lack of respect for art does not undermine the thing itself. You cannot have your GenAI products included with "art" simply because you want to. You aren't entitled to having your prompt outputs held in the same esteem. > If somebody spends hours prompting various resources and curating it, is that then "slop"? In my opinion, yes. Some people may disagree with the term "slop" in this case, but that does not step it all the way up to "art". It can still be non-slop, non-art. | | |
| ▲ | orangedog 29 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I mean sounds like it's a your problem if you are saying that certain tools, no matter how they are used or the effort put into using them can't qualify as art. You're right, I don't gatekeep art that same way. I don't lack respect for art, I lack respect for your standards which I think are artificial. | | |
| ▲ | byronturncoat 11 minutes ago | parent [-] | | GenAI only exists because it steals from a vast corpus of human creative output. It then regurgitates it back, stripping away the emotion, care, and talent that made it art. No amount of prompting will touch the amount of accumulated skill that the original work required. If you cannot understand why trying to pass off GenAI output as "art" is disrespectful and illogical, I cannot help you. Someone that pretends prompting is "effort" will always just be that, regardless of how you, personally, set your standards. |
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| ▲ | tverbeure an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I don’t think you understand the meaning of the word gatekeeping. | | |
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| ▲ | Ariarule 14 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Is a painting not art because individual pigments aren't art? |
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| ▲ | sunrunner 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > There is an artistry in assembling other art into a single cohesive piece I never said there wasn't, but I also wasn't talking about human roles where people in larger creative teams have some kind of artistic say in the final output of a much larger process involving other talented humans. That is a very different example and I think you know that. | |
| ▲ | righthand 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Oh yeah I can just remember all those famous renowned collages that everyone associates as art. A director does a hell of a lot more than select what goes in a frame and then sit back and watch it come together. | | |
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| ▲ | RandomLensman 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Getting an AI to create the imagine you want isn't necessarily easy. | |
| ▲ | tempfile 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think they would obviously be happy with the alternative wording "it's about what was created" or just "it's about the product". I don't think they care about any aspect of how it came to exist. |
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| ▲ | zorked 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | People have heuristics. My heuristics is that AI slop in images -> slop in the text, whether AI or not. It will be wrong sometimes, but mostly it's not. OP has a point. | |
| ▲ | nhinck2 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Hmm, I wonder why you're taking this so personally... | |
| ▲ | bonoboTP 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Indeed, including some AI generated things is becoming a costly signal that you're not bound by the neoluddites and the online anti-AI mob / redditor hivemind. I'm starting to like this signal, but it has to be distinguished from the simply being-lazy signal that indicates the content may not be all that interesting of valued by the author. If you have an otherwise high quality site where you aren't afraid to use AI for some elements, that makes me like it more. It's a start of a barber's pole of fashion. Like when it became desirable to wear torn jeans even if you can afford proper ones. But you can only safely do it if you won't be confused with an actual hobo. It signals not playing by midwit pearl clutcher rules. So same with AI use. Don't play to the pearl clutchers, but don't be a hobo either. Shower but have somewhat torn jeans. | | |
| ▲ | bluefirebrand an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | > It signals not playing by midwit pearl clutcher rules. Pre-torn jeans signal being a poser, wanting the torn jeans look without having the lifestyle that results in torn jeans, or even having the agency to tear your own jeans So it's an apt analogy for AI users I guess. People who want to build creative works without ever putting in any effort to learn how Modern society rewards taking shortcuts way too much | | |
| ▲ | bonoboTP 16 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I mostly agree but here my analogy was reversed compared to yours. In my analogy the nicely dressed church lady is the professional, politically correct, climate conscious, anti AI redditor. The torn clothes punk hobo is the lazy rulebraking AI shoveler who makes the shared spaces dirty, and the smart iconoclast contrarian rebel artist poet ignoring schoolmarm rules is the person who uses AI but also makes otherwise high quality content. (don't get hung up on the climate thing - I'm not arguing on the object level. A Christian believer can also be annoyed by the Karen-like peal clutcher no-fun-allowed church lady archetype). |
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| ▲ | mosura an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | A key part of this is it has to be conspicuously deliberately AI. |
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| ▲ | GPerson 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | “Everyone who disagrees with me is a hater and a snob.” |
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| ▲ | ngcazz 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| No. Even setting ethical considerations aside, AI-generated art is lazy, looks gross, and signals poor taste whilst wasting computing resources. I think it's a perfectly reasonable principle to claim, especially if we're discussing diagrams. I'd much rather look at a low-effort hand or MS Paint drawing, there's more humanness in that than any generative AI turd. |
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| ▲ | mannanj 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Same problem for me for sending emails, outreach, and other behaviors that signal human identity but it turns out to be an AI post. The area with grace for me is how much effort a human spent on composing the message - I wouldn't expect a message a human wrote >50% of and had an AI help grammar check, proof read and edit need an AI disclosure. But otherwise, if the identity is >50% have an AI disclose it. This is how I'd like for human-on-behalf-of-human outreach to work too, i.e. if my human secretary sends a message under my identity and via my email client, I'd expect it to be under their name not mine. This points out some long standing issues with lack of accountability and deception by humans through our time. Think: humans have been doing these things: - human have other humans impersonate them and send messages on their behalf (i.e. via secretary, receptionist, email, a VA, via social media via a social media manager) - friends or family answering your letters if your a celebrity Those behaviors, deceptive and lies, are insults to you at the expense of the gain of the liar. We haven't held them to accountability or a standard of respect before AI, and so we are facing the same challenges we did before AI - we just have more humans doing the same thing with AI as the <insert old human role here>. Why have we been unable to hold them accountable to the deception before - lack if transparency, lack of power to hold accountability to the behavior? |
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| ▲ | raincole 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Come on. We all know what kind of images this post is talking about. No need to play dumb. |
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| ▲ | singleshot_ an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > In fact it is kind of stupid to insist someone slavishly draw something by hand I believe they used to call that "art." |
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| ▲ | TheOtherHobbes an hour ago | parent [-] | | No, they used to call that "illustration." The belief that we were living in a golden age of hand-made visual beauty before AI arrived is obvious nonsense. The golden age of illustration ended when Illustrator arrived. After that, everything became a mess of cliches and clip art, culminating with Google's Material Design, where everything looks simultaneously soulless, heartless, and bland. AI brought some colour back. A lot of the imagery is kitsch, but illustration has always tended to kitsch, so nothing really changed there. This is the irony of the anti-AI purity hunt. Most human-made work is crap. It always has been. AI hasn't suddenly sent the quality of creativity off a cliff. It's commoditised the low standard of most previous hand-made work and made it easier to access. The high end - the real talent - still stands out. But most people can't afford it, and even fewer people appreciate it. | | |
| ▲ | timmytokyo 14 minutes ago | parent [-] | | >AI hasn't suddenly sent the quality of creativity off a cliff. It's commoditised the low standard of most previous hand-made work and made it easier to access. Yes. That's why it's called slop. And now we're absolutely swimming in it. I guess a small number of people like it, but then there's no accounting for (bad) taste. |
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