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vel0city a day ago

Yes. Using forced prison labor is using slave labor.

NetMageSCW a day ago | parent [-]

Are the prisoners given no choice?

I’m okay with it either way - as long as prison time isn’t unjust.

yndoendo 20 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I recommend _The Alabama Solution_ [0]. It goes into good detail how unjust the system is with for-profit prisons.

Why let people out of jail when you can pay them pennies on the dollar and make millions of their forced labor? People are denied parole so prisons don't lose their labor. These prisons have no problem starving their prisoners when they strike to get them back out making money for their owners.

Slave still exists in the USA. I hope for the day it no longer does.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Alabama_Solution

Arodex a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

AMENDMENT XIII

Section 1.

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Slavery still exists in the USA. This isn't the same as job programs for reinsertion like in other countries - this is openly described as slavery.

And if you doubt it, see these:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/inmates-at-louisianas-an...

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2024/06/22/prison-slavery...

vel0city a day ago | parent | prev [-]

At what point is it forced/not forced to you?

This was related to an Arizona Correctional Industries prison labor contract. In Arizona, labor is mandatory. They either work in these corporate-tied programs or they have to work some other kind of job at the prison. Is that really a choice?

metalliqaz a day ago | parent [-]

How much choice do you have? I know I don't have much. Either work or go without health care, shelter, and food. All I get to do is choose the job. Sounds like they do too.

vel0city a day ago | parent [-]

> All I get to do is choose the job.

And have minimum wages, and have workplace safety standards, have recourse for injuries while working, etc. They don't get that, they're not "employees".