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digitcatphd an hour ago

I would argue we still have not even really gotten started.

What do we have in the decade ahead? Robotics in every household, models 10x+ faster and more intelligent than today.

Really no significant impact in life sciences, R&D, and 'offline' world / robotics today as of yet, which is where most of the value will live.

horsawlarway an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Even if we agree with this take (and I do think it's a likely take that you're right on the long term), it doesn't change that it seems likely we're in a bubble, and it probably will pop.

We see a similar paradigm with lots of revolutionary technology. The initial promise is high, people get very excited, lots of money pours in, and.... 15-30 years go by before we start seeing real impact across the economy at large.

It's just a real slog to actually implement and roll out new tech.

So take robots: I can promise you that you won't see robotics in every household in the next decade (especially so if we exclude the current market of robot vacuums). Even if a company makes an incredibly capable robot "today" (and to be clear - they are not) it won't have time to scale out production, reduce costs, generate a used market that's accessible to less wealthy consumers, deal with regulatory hurdles and quality problems that only pop up in real-world usage, etc...

It's just slower than you're implying.

The change very well will happen (I'm inclined to agree that things are going to shift). That doesn't mean that the current investment is sane and will pay off.

So many historical examples of this, just two here real quick:

- Ford built his first automobile in 1896, founded a company in 1901, went out of business, got sued by ALAM, didn't build more than 10k Model T's until 1910, then only finally hit real scale (of low hundred of thousands of units) in 1913: More than a decade to "basic scale". Household ownership didn't hit 60% until 1929... 30+ years later.

- The initial web enthusiasm, followed by the dot-com crash in early 2000s...

Cthulhu_ an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Robotics in the household has been the realm of science fiction for decades and it still hasn't happened. We get dedicated, compact machines like dishwashers and washing machine/dryers, that's it. Most recent innovation has been the automatic vacuum.

If you want someone else to do household chores, hire someone. You can pay someone to do your house chores for years for the cost that these things will have initially.

ghaff an hour ago | parent | next [-]

>Most recent innovation has been the automatic vacuum

Which are pretty useless for a lot of home layouts and degree of putting cords etc. away. I took a look a few years back and got a stick vac instead. (And have a monthly housekeeper who does a lot more than a robo-vac would.)

sumedh an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Robotics in the household has been the realm of science fiction for decades and it still hasn't happened.

Wasnt AI science fiction (research) for decades but just took couple of years after Chatgpt to become mainstream. Why do you that wont happen to robotics?

habinero 41 minutes ago | parent [-]

We don't have sci-fi AI, and in any case "this thing is now possible, therefore [much more difficult thing] will be possible soon" is not a rational thought.

bonoboTP 32 minutes ago | parent [-]

> We don't have sci-fi AI

Current frontier models are absolutely sci-fi AI by any measure that existed up until the late 2010s. If you showed a current frontier agentic AI, with bidirectional speech, tool use etc. to a person from 2010, they'd say it can't be real, there must be a person inside that mechanical turk.

CuriouslyC an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The cost of a timeshare robot will come down first, so you'll be hiring a robot before you own one. But that might not take so long to occur as you imagine.

habinero an hour ago | parent [-]

People have been talking about this for literally a hundred years at this point. It's not a thing and isn't gonna be one.

novia an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

What it we would prefer that there were not other people in our homes for interpersonal reasons?

kibwen 24 minutes ago | parent [-]

All robotic home appliances will feature cameras with which people will be watching you and microphones with which people will be listening to you, all the time, forever.

Waterluvian 22 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The absolutely massive scale and influence of the Web happened after the dot com burst.

diego_moita an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I would argue we still have not even really gotten started.

I agree, but that doesn't mean there isn't a bubble.

It is possible we'll have all those changes and they generate a lot of revenue for very few players but, still, a lot of the remaining players fail.

In particular, I worry about robotics. It is clearly becoming a China-only game. The west just doesn't have the industrial manufacturing critical mass to play it.

FrustratedMonky an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Yep, that is what the bet is. The build out will continue, even if it looks different.

The Internet was a 'bubble' at one point, and after it crashed in 2000, it didn't go away, it continued to build out. We're still using the Internet after the Internet bubble popped.

hajile 34 minutes ago | parent [-]

On a $100B AI datacenter, some 60-70% of the center needs to be replaced every 2-6 years. These companies claim the hardware lasts 6 years while simultaneously claiming they are relying on new hardware to lower inference costs (implying much more frequent updates).

Over 40 years, that's 7-20 hardware changes, that turns into between $420B and $1.4T of ongoing investment (not accounting for inflation). The $30B that is called "infrastructure" only accounts for 2-7% of the overall bill.

This is NOTHING like fiber buildouts because the fiber lasts the whole 40 years with ZERO replacements and very close to 100% of the cost is infrastructure rather than a tiny percentage.

FrustratedMonky 28 minutes ago | parent [-]

I've been through several network upgrades. You are saying the fiber in the ground lasts a long time, but all the equipment on either end gets replaced every ~5 years. I agree this build out seems pretty crazy, but people were saying the same thing with the internet. Arguing if the equipment has a replacement rate of 2-6 years or 30-40 years, I think isn't the part that makes this a bubble.

kibwen 20 minutes ago | parent [-]

For fiber, the main costs were not the fiber itself, but acquiring the rights to lay the fiber and the labor to do so. The equipment at either end has a lifespan of somewhat less that 50 years, but that's a minor cost.

Conversely, for the data centers we're talking about, the cost of the things that need replacing every five years is one of the primary costs.