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juvvel 2 days ago

German films are mostly not great, but if one wants to get immersed into the language, music and literature are much better places. And also comedy. The language allows for some great puns.

rob74 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

All foreign films are also dubbed, something I'm not a huge fan of, but at least you don't have to watch an actual German film to hear German...

Also, BTW, there are some very good German films, but to enjoy most of them, you have to be able to relate to the cultural background.

i_am_a_peasant 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A lot of good video games have decent German dubs, it was how I reached B2 German.

aleph_minus_one 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

> A lot of good video games have decent German dubs

This in my experience only holds for AAA titles.

For many smaller games, the German translation/localization is so bad that if one's English level is not insanely bad, it's even more comfortable to play the English version, and use a dictionary for lots of words (i.e. invest more time using the dictionary than playing the game) than tolerating the pain of how bad the German translation/localization is.

i_am_a_peasant a day ago | parent [-]

Idk, do you play those point and click adventure games from early 2000s? Syberia? Broken Sword? they’re decent. Deponia also good, Truberbrook. What I cannot stand are things that are medieval and then everyone refers to you as Ihr instead of du or Sie. Was that even a thing? Even the star wars games do it… which i guess it’s because jedi “knights”.

aleph_minus_one a day ago | parent [-]

> do you play those point and click adventure games from early 2000s?

Yes (but this is off-topic).

> Deponia also good, Truberbrook.

For both of these games, the original native version is in German, so of course their German (not-)translation is good. :-)

> What I cannot stand are things that are medieval and then everyone refers to you as Ihr instead of du or Sie. Was that even a thing? Even the star wars games do it… which i guess it’s because jedi “knights”.

Yes, this is called called "Pluralis Majestatis":

> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluralis_Majestatis

The Pluralis Majestatis is a formal addressing that is more formal than (singular) "Sie" for a single person (typical for addressing aristocrats of higher a noble rank).

The "Pluralis Majestatis" is not to be confused with the Pluralis Auctoris

> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluralis_Auctoris

and the Pluralis Modestiae

> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluralis_Modestiae

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Concerning your point "What I cannot stand are things that are medieval and then everyone refers to you as Ihr instead of du or Sie. Was that even a thing?" Even the star wars games do it… which i guess it’s because jedi “knights”.

As I already hinted: this is the correct for medivial setting if you have to address people of a higher a noble rank (if you don't use it, it would feel deeply wrong to native German speakers).

Concerning "Star Wars": I know little about this topic, but your point shows that for a proper German localization, you really have to think deeply about which kind of group needs which kind of addressing to which group (informal pronouns, formal pronouns, Pluralis Majestatis, ...).

For such settings which have no historical reference such as Star Wars I consider it to be very plausible that if the original setting was written in English, the authors never actually thought about such questions, so it is very likely that such questions were hushed over when a localization was done under time pressure (or English native speakers who commissioned the translation/localization underestimated the importance of such considerations).

juvvel a day ago | parent | prev [-]

The Witcher 3 is great in German. It actually suits the game a lot better than English imo.

i_am_a_peasant a day ago | parent [-]

Yeah I’ve only played witcher 3 in german. I don’t even know the english names of many characters.

FinnKuhn 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

On the other hand, the dubbing for foreign movies is usually very well done though.

Mashimo 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

It's one of the things I can't stand. Just by hearing, not even seeing the actors or knowing the movie title, you can hear it's a dubbed movie. I always find it uncanny to listen to.

A lot of Germans have Satellite TV, where it would be possible to send multiple audio tracks. But they use it to send dubbed German and dubbed French (in case of ARTE). AHHHH.

German movies can be great though. Land of Mine (2015) comes to mind.

Anamon a day ago | parent [-]

German dubs used to be great in the 80s and 90s. Check some TV shows from that time to see what I mean. They used to take care that the voice fit the actual situation, mood, and character. There were many good dubbing voice actors who sometimes became famous in their own right.

I'm not sure why, but something changed in the late 90s, early 00s. Suddenly, all the voice actors started shouting all their lines, and seemed obsessed with extra weird or supposedly funny enunciation. No relation to what's happening on screen.

Dubbing seems to be a lost art.

spankibalt 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I wanted to leave this Faden for all the immigrant voices but this misinformation simply cannot stand, lol.

Dubbing for foreign movies is an art long lost in Germany; the East Germans (DEFA) were especially good at it, my favorite being Karel Steklý's eternal Dobrý voják Švejk (The Good Soldier Schweik), for which DEFA tapped the Austro Rudolf Wessely.

And today? Whenever I get exposed to a German dub I get reaquainted why I call that stuff the Fremdschämspur (the cringe track).

soco 2 days ago | parent [-]

I have no idea what you mean, because I also feel dubbing in Germany comes out pretty much right. Mouth is moving (mostly) in sync, even. I can compare with other countries where I watched dubbed stuff, but let's not compare and stick to Germany: well done.

Mashimo 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

It might be good compared to other countries, but it still "feels" strange. Unsettling. I rather have the undubbed version.

Big budget animated movies often have great dubbing.

spankibalt 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> [...] because I also feel dubbing in Germany comes out pretty much right.

You've got to be kidding me, lol. Anyway, voice (character) mismatch is the first thing I often notice. How often have I heard a commanding adult in English dubbed into what sounds like a tortured, overemoting teen/twen in the German version (I feel it's especially pronounced in women's characters but that might be just sample bias). Even deadpan delivery sounds tryhard. And it's not just for English, either.

Modern German dubs, to me anyway, are their own comedic genre. And make no mistake: I'm fuckin' serious about it. Just study some classics. You'll see.