| ▲ | embedding-shape 16 hours ago |
| I think this is the actual image: https://cdn.saffire.com/images.ashx?t=ig&rid=OhioStateFair&i... Notably, the zipline is all wacky, and two piggies are #1, probably more things I didn't notice at a skim? I guess they didn't explicitly forbid AI, and it wasn't noticed until after the winner was selected, and now you can't "roll back"? It seems this was later added to the page: > [...] we recognize that the use of AI has changed greatly over the last few years in ways we didn’t anticipate, and will be reevaluating the rules and processes for 2027, which will include prohibiting the use of AI [...] July 7 2026 mirror of the page without that updated notice: https://web.archive.org/web/20260707145158/https://www.ohios... |
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| ▲ | andsoitis 15 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > I think this is the actual image: https://cdn.saffire.com/images.ashx?t=ig&rid=OhioStateFair&i... "Celebrating Ohio's and America's 250th birthday" Ohio is 223 years old, having officially joined the United States as the 17th state in 1803. |
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| ▲ | kazinator 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > they didn't explicitly forbid AI Yes they did; the contestants must be at least 18 years old and residents of Ohio. AI is neither. Would it be within contest rules if an 19-year-old resident of Ohio served as an artistic director, giving suggestions to a 12-year-old from Kentucky who does the actual work? |
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| ▲ | satvikpendem 15 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | They only care who submitted it not who actually created it. | | |
| ▲ | teeray 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | “Yes, the 7th grader who submitted this poster calls it the ‘Mona Lisa’. Doesn’t have anything to do with the state fair, but I swear this one belongs in a museum! Honorable Mention for sure!” | | |
| ▲ | satvikpendem 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | If it's not easily recognizable then yes they'll think the 7th grader did create it, it's just the default assumption. Maybe now they should run every submission through reverse image search then. |
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| ▲ | ButlerianJihad 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | No they didn’t—from TFA: When the poster contest was originally formed in 2024, the use of AI was permitted if explained as a part of the application process.
Since current US legal decisions indicate that genAI works are not copyrightable, this is troublesome for any organization that wants exclusive licensing for publicity. The State Fair would expect to incorporate their art winners into marketing, posters, and expect to strike down derivative works and other commercial uses.Not to mention that any Ai-entrant piece could be duplicated by any other entrant. | | |
| ▲ | userbinator 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Not to mention that any Ai-entrant piece could be duplicated by any other entrant With great difficulty, maybe. You'd need the exact model, prompt, seed, and hardware, and even then I believe there is some nondeterminism. | | |
| ▲ | ButlerianJihad 44 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I was thinking more like C-c C-v, or just take a photo of a competitor’s poster, but you do your seeding |
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| ▲ | ameliaquining 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Probably they figured that the risk of any of that stuff causing actual problems was less than the headache of publicly disqualifying an already-announced winner who has a colorable argument that she didn't break any rules. | |
| ▲ | vkou 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Whether is not copyrightable is not relevant to this. The parent poster's point is just as salient. The creator, not the sumbitter needs to meet the criteria in question. A clanker isn't a resident of Ohio. | | |
| ▲ | defrost 15 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm largely in the not fond of AI artwork camp and the weird rigging on the chair lifts in the winning entry bug me no end (first thing that caught my eye), however ... Is Jeff Koons (and others in the "massive installation" artwork game) the creator of his works or does that honour go to the minions that instantiate his wishes? We're talking "grand vision" description here .. now you 30 people go and flesh out the details. | |
| ▲ | satvikpendem 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Not really, AI is a tool and so it's assumed that the submitter is the creator. The Ohio judges will not be as pedantic as you and then other comment above try to make it seem. |
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| ▲ | dyauspitr 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | No AI is a tool. It’s like you saying they didn’t say you can’t use oil paint. | | |
| ▲ | BobbyTables2 15 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Oil paint would be a bit more controversial if it painted the picture all by itself… | | |
| ▲ | furyofantares 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | You're right, for example photography was controversial. | | |
| ▲ | DrewADesign 15 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | And photography is something where the image determines whether or not it’s art. If you are constructing an image using form, shape, light, subjects, tool selection, and all sorts of other factors to translate a 3D scene into a 2D image, revealing your particular perspective, then that is art, and pretty difficult at that. If you take a flat, objective, documentary picture of a painting, that’s not art. If you take a picture of something at the store you’d like to research later, that’s not art. If you’re telling someone, with your words, maybe some sketches and marked-up iterations what you want the picture to look like but they actually take it and finish it, you’re not the artist— you’re commissioning art. | | |
| ▲ | pkaeding 14 hours ago | parent [-] | | Is taping a banana to the wall art? | | |
| ▲ | ChoGGi 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | As much as a can of soup is. | |
| ▲ | DrewADesign 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | As a performance maybe? Frankly I don’t give a flying fuck about how those rich kids entertain themselves. It’s like a jobs program for creative kids from big moneyed families. It has no bearing on what happens in the rest of the art world and it could not matter less when considering how credit and attribution work in commercial art. | |
| ▲ | dyauspitr 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It depends. Personally, the banana taped to the wall, doesn’t do anything for me, but I once saw a canvas with just three slightly raised simple curved ridges in an interesting pattern, all in white. It was very simple and could probably be done in under 20 minutes, but it was very compelling. | |
| ▲ | intended 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If this is what I think it’s referring to, then Yes. In the same way that a refutation of a previously stated position is part of an argument. Repeating that refutation verbatim, while calling it your intellectual work does not actually make it so. It shows, at best, your ability to remember things. |
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| ▲ | ChoGGi 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Sure, but you can't tell your photograph to make another one, or steal a soul. That's what AI is for. |
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| ▲ | userbinator 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Exactly. This was ultimately the work of a human who used AI to create something. | | |
| ▲ | teeray 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | Just like the incredible pizza I made when I picked up my phone and said to it “one large supreme”, and there it was at my door, 30 minutes later. I really love how good the stuffed crust I made came out. /s |
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| ▲ | kazinator 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You can't speak to oil paint in English and get a picture. Until recently, the only such a "tool" used to be a human being. | |
| ▲ | bigstrat2003 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There's no creativity or skill in handing something off to a generative model. At best, it's analogous to commissioning a work (as another poster said). It's not remotely like using a tool to create art. | | |
| ▲ | satvikpendem 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | People who say this must not really know just how much work goes into crafting the image via something like ComfyUI workflows, which is where the actual skill and creativity is. Now I don't know if this poster was that or whether it was just a single ChatGPT prompt, but look on places like r/StableDiffusion where people share their workflows, it's not really much different than EDM production, they're not actually playing the instruments but organizing them together into a cohesive pipeline. | | |
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| ▲ | Brian_K_White 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You can't drop ship creativity and still take credit for it. Grubhub is also a tool. If you order a pizza, you didn't make a pizza "just using a different tool" | |
| ▲ | DrewADesign 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Nope. At best, they are like commissioning work from a computer. When you commission a piece, especially as an art director, you often have lengthy conversations, exchange sketches, do multiple iterations, and have pretty fine-grained control over much of the final outcome. Art direction is a fundamentally creative process. But an art director would never, ever take credit for the piece. Why? They understand that so much of that artist’s voice, granular artistic perspective, and so much more are the building blocks of the piece. Image generators could provide reference material, make images for mood boards, and all sorts of other things useful in the artistic process, but the prompter is absolutely not making art. |
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| ▲ | nkrisc 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It immediately looks like AI slop because nearly every square inch is filled with with something, however meaningless and useless it might be to the overall composition. AI is good at filling an image with shit, and bad at knowing when to leave space and what isn’t necessary. |
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| ▲ | Ariarule 15 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Not criticizing this in particular, but I'm genuinely curious: why is everyone talking about how obvious or not the details of the poster are as AI, when they didn't take the 30 seconds in most good image editing software to remove the sepia/yellow/brown tint all over? You could put a 100px blur on the smallest thumbnail on that page of it, and I'd still recognize it as AI generated. | |
| ▲ | defrost 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Reporter to Kindergarten teacher: How is it that your students class paintings are so much better than all the other class paintings? Teacher: You just have to know when to take their finger paintings away from them. | |
| ▲ | jbdamask 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | sure, but just look at that butter cow! | |
| ▲ | crooked-v 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yeah, my takeaway here is less about AI, and more that these judges have no sense of taste and just gave more points to whatever packed in the most pointless details. | | |
| ▲ | nkrisc 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | AI or no AI, it’s incredible that this design won. Either the judges have questionable judgement or the other entries must not have been very good. | | | |
| ▲ | sph 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Most people have no sense of taste, and I bet the jury’s average age indicates people that have no exposure or defense to newer technologies. | |
| ▲ | CuriouslyC 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I'd guess they're representative of the average person going to the Ohio state fair, so no damage done. |
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| ▲ | 1659447091 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Notably, the zipline is all wacky, and two piggies are #1, probably more things I didn't notice at a skim? To nitpick, the Flags can't decide on if the US had 9 or 11 original colonies -- for celebrating "America's 250th birthday" the person that created it could have at least made sure the flag wasn't weird. Sheldon would be having a field day... |
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| ▲ | SwellJoe 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Jebus, that image is dogshit. There is no way in a million years I would put my name on something like that. It truly is the age of the shameless. If you have no shame and no ethics, you really can go far. |
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| ▲ | skybrian 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Huh, I thought I was reasonably good at this but didn't see them. Rather than getting annoyed about it, maybe it could be a fun puzzle? Spot the AI glitches in this image. Maybe do that contest before giving the award, though, among the finalists? |
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| ▲ | ChoGGi 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I noticed two kids in Costco looking at some image on a box and calling it AI. | |
| ▲ | userbinator 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Next step: see if AI can fix them. | |
| ▲ | DrewADesign 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | skybrian 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | If you don't try to have fun with it then you're not going to have fun. | | |
| ▲ | ameliaquining 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think the problem is that, once you get good enough to reliably spot AI output at a given level of obviousness, seeing more of it stops being fun and starts being just depressing, and this is more true the more of it you see. There's no shame in not being that experienced yet, but if you're not, you should recognize that people who are are naturally going to have a different reaction. |
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| ▲ | ralph84 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You wanna get paid for your work become a sat diver or roughneck. | | |
| ▲ | DrewADesign 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | I’m already an industrial tradesman, toughguy. People in the software world are soon going to feel pretty stupid about being that smug to people who had to switch careers because cratering demand cratered wages. |
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| ▲ | crooked-v 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Maybe it's just me, but that font and its layout feels extremely recognizable to me as the "AI image sign font" that I've already seen on posterboards for a bunch of restaurants in SF. |
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| ▲ | bschwindHN 15 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Not just you, it's immediately obvious as an AI image, it's got the piss filter and all kinds of telling details. Detecting AI images like this should be a basic skill at this point. | |
| ▲ | markdown 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > extremely recognizable to me as the "AI image sign font" Also seen in every FB post by small businesses as well as every garage sale post in my country | | |
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| ▲ | teeray 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > …[we] will be reevaluating the rules and processes for 2027… …by which time we will have hoped the public will have forgotten about all this and moved on. |
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| ▲ | ameliaquining 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | And why not? Is there any particular reason people will still need to care about this a year later? |
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| ▲ | Groxx 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Ribbons are splotchy and weird, and have designs that don't line up and stars that are misformed. Are they going to use it as an official poster or something? It is it just a side competition? Feels like they might come to regret spreading it. Both the first and the second smell rather strongly of AI, though the winner seems the most egregious. |
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| ▲ | senordevnyc 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The zipline? That's not a zipline. Ironic. |
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| ▲ | dyauspitr 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| It’s good and things aren’t that blatantly wrong but I can tell it’s AI. It’s not the mistakes you pointed out, but there’s something about the overall image and I can’t put my finger on it. |
