> They're word-association mechanisms with no embodiment and no way to associate the text vectors they manipulate with real-world phenomena.

Doesn't most of this also apply to a guy living in The Matrix?

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scarmig 19 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Embodiment doesn't exist, even in regular humans. We do not have direct access to reality; we have sensory inputs that are much lower bandwidth than one might expect but correlate with external events, and our brain uses them to form rich world models that are usefully predictive. Most of the world we experience is just in our head.

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logicallee 18 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I get what you're saying (mostly based on low bandwidth from sensory organs as opposed to direct access to reality), but your conclusion that we therefore don't have embodiment goes very far. It would be like saying planes don't really fly, since they fly by wire and only have limited inputs and outputs, rather than direct access to reality itself. Well, yeah, they fly using sensors rather than knowing reality itself, but they're still flying. Humans still obviously have embodiment.

	▲	tim333 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I'm not quite sure of the definitions but with sentience I have >Subjective Experience: Involves raw sensory awareness rather than complex abstract thought On that current AI is a bit lacking as they don't have very good sensors whereas human brains are pretty wired up for touch, smell, sight, sound and the like. AIs do get linked to cameras though and could improve a lot in those directions.

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yladiz 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Define “direct”, “access”, and “reality”.

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ben_w 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, but also for humans who learn of distant lands by reading (books or news, just so long as it's reading).

And also these models have been associating with real-world phenomena from the first moment their training data did, and also those text vectors are (to varying degrees) associated with corresponding image vectors in multimodal models.

Of course, the Plato's cave critique would still be valid.

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ericpauley 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Searle* strikes again!

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room

	▲	satvikpendem 14 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Also, AI effect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect