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stego-tech 3 days ago

I think this is pretty great, though I’m sure hyperscalers will find a way to make sure such a scheme becomes as shitty for customers as frequent flier programs are today.

Think of it from a small hobbyist perspective: I want to host a few small workloads, but I don’t want to deal with reoccurring billing. Maybe I have money now, but can’t guarantee it later. With this scheme, I frontload with a substantial amount of prepaid credits - say, $150 - while only using $5 or $10 a month. In theory, if the interest rate is correct, I could earn more on interest faster than the prepaid credits get drawn down - thus having a perpetual instance for a one-time charge.

Personally? I think that’s a fair and reasonable arbitrage opportunity, because it also means the vendor can take that excess Capital and invest it themselves to create a return greater than the credits paid out. In practice, some greedy jerk C-Suite inevitably places caps on payouts or time limits on credits to ensure they capture more for themselves and leave less for their customers.

I guess what I’m saying is that I dig the idea, I’d love to see it implemented by more vendors, but I also know it’ll get rules-lawyered to death in nanoseconds under the current market incentives.

jerf 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

"I think this is pretty great, though I’m sure hyperscalers will find a way to make sure such a scheme becomes as shitty for customers as frequent flier programs are today."

Oh, that's not even a challenge. The reason to offer a scheme like this is basically to abuse the fact that a human customer will value this disproportionally to the cost of providing it. But if the customer perceives that value, that means you can take that surplus, which isn't real, and then extract that surplus from almost anything else that comes in the form of real money, and create something that humans value as much as the original service, but now with more money to the service provider. Converting the customer irrationality into money means you don't even need anything as obvious as a cap, which sounds scary. You just raise your other prices.

actionfromafar 3 days ago | parent [-]

You can do all these things. If you are a small player trying to stick out, you can make a point of not playing these particular games.

dannyw 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How many small hobbyists really want to front load $150, instead of paying $5 a month, and would only be swayed if they got interest/credits?

At 5% simple interest, your $150 would give you 62.5c per month. So you'd need closer to ~~$1200 to have a perpetual hosting machine; for a $5/month VPS or whatever.

You also now have an additional problem: $1200 of committed spend on a cloud provider; which could go out of business one day; for a $5/month workload.

I think for most people, the second problem is much bigger than "I don't wanna set up recurring billing".

bojangleslover 3 days ago | parent [-]

This is aimed at CFOs, not hobbyists

dannyw 3 days ago | parent [-]

I do appreciate you doing this btw, I find it nice and clever. I like how it democratizes a mechanism that enterprises have (net discounts, similar effective mechanisms) and makes it accessible to everyone.

I was replying to the parent comment, I'm just saying "prepay and commit thousands of credits so you get to run $5/month" isn't a good idea to me, but I do like your mechanism.

bojangleslover 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is correct, if you put in $1000 you could basically run a small dedicated VM in perpetuity.

swiftcoder 3 days ago | parent [-]

Just so long as the price of the small dedicated VM doesn't also increase with inflation

zygentoma 3 days ago | parent [-]

Shouldn't a fixed additional amount also care for inflation based price increases indefinitely?

(Maybe not if the inflation greater or equal the interest rate … though I did not do my math here.)

dcchuck 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes - presuming the funds can’t earn SOFR+. The opportunity cost is the interest being earned elsewhere (minus interest earned taxes)