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BoxwoodSeed a day ago

It's so weird to me how people don't like these kind of glasses. They are basically a dash cam for your entire life. Seems like a pretty valuable thing to have.

The only thing I object to is the facebook association.

JohnFen an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I don't think anyone's saying that wearing such glasses isn't useful or valuable. The problem is when they're used to include unconsenting others in the data collection. It's massively antisocial.

And it makes a bad situation even worse. It's already very difficult to avoid surveillance systems. I am cautious about what routes I take and where I go in order to minimize my exposure to these systems. If these spy glasses actually approach being common, then it just further reduces where I can safely go in public. At some point, going out in public at all will become infeasible.

amazingman 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> They are basically a dash cam for your entire life.

Most people don't want this. Dash cams are for safety and legal liability in a very specific and dangerous domain. These "smart" glasses are for wealth signaling and surreptitiously invading others' privacy. Try walking around with your phone camera recording everywhere you go amd see what kind of response you get from people. Meta's device just obscures the fact that that's what the wearer is doing.

foobarchu a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's weird to me that you find that weird. People in general don't like worrying that every little conversation is being recorded.

perching_aix a day ago | parent [-]

Wouldn't that change if "everyone" did it?

That "hilarious" and embarrassing misspeak or fall becomes a lot less so when it's a dime a dozen.

It's weird because it is (right now), not because it's some fundamentally weird thing ordained that way forever during the big bang or whatever.

Like, people don't like being watched when working, yet they'll sometimes outright forget they're screensharing. I know I do at least.

yallpendantools 20 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That's really not a good comparison. When you screenshare, even when you forget, you are the one who initiated the action. You also have the power to stop it when you realize it. Neither is the case with these glasses.

If everyone did it, welcome to 1984 beyond Orwell's wildest imagination, where the Flock cameras have legs and look human. Who needs an elaborate entrapment operation when you can observe up close how someone twitches upon mention of Dear Leader's name?

You are thinking of a very shallow America's Funniest Home Videos scenario without considering that there is a lot of daily-life scenarios that rely on the assumption that you are not being filmed by some rando.

- In a lot of places where there is still stigma on various health issues, this kind of implicit privacy could be the difference between people seeking help or not.

- We give off a lot of small but probably "confidential" signals just because we can reasonably assume we are not being recorded. From simple allusions during casual conversation to maybe a quick still frame of someone's notes. What would've been an innocuous statement could become NDA violations when recorded at the fidelity usually reserved for deposition hearings.

- And speaking of innocuous, as anyone who's spent any length of time in the internet would know, it's so easy to take thirty seconds of a two-hour conversation out of context. Now you are giving everyone an eat-all-you-can buffet of your life to take out of context. Company valuations have been decided from less.

All in all, these perv glasses would make society more guarded and less open, and that in an age when people already have a hard time forming relationships.

wolvoleo 19 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> You are thinking of a very shallow America's Funniest Home Videos scenario without considering that there is a lot of daily-life scenarios that rely on the assumption that you are not being filmed by some ran

Most of those were staged anyway. Just like all the skits on tiktok and Instagram are staged.

It's not like these are real life situations. You might as well record them with a big movie camera.

perching_aix 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

People are already always recording, just with their eyes and minds. Now, that is different of course, they can only transmit and transcribe these recordings inexactly, in a limited manner, semantically compressed. But that has its own pitfalls and it does already exist.

Doing all of those things you mention is entirely optional. And so what I'm proposing is if everyone had this leverage, culture would adjust accordingly, and not abusing this would become respectable first, then an expected common courtesy later.

It's not unlike how honor systems are abusable, and their entire point is that they aren't abused despite that.

There's also the side to this where I do believe that people would reevaluate what things are benign.

Regarding the inevitable Orwell: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sousveillance - one could reasonably argue in light of this is that being able to record what happens to oneself should be an inalienable human right rather. If someone is abused, they should not need the consent of their abuser to gain evidence of that.

This doesn't wash the Meta glasses however, exactly because of what the top parent comment explains as well, that its data sharing isn't actually user governed. This is prohibitive of people progressing through the aforementioned social adaptation to it, as people viscerally know by this point that these devices cannot be trusted that way (and they are correct). The rest follows.

JohnFen an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Wouldn't that change if "everyone" did it?

No. It would just make the situation totally intolerable.

pigeons 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There's a novel that deals with this. I think it's called the light of other days by Arthur c. Clarke and Stephen Baxter

perching_aix 14 hours ago | parent [-]

Thanks for the recommendation, seems a hell of a lot more interesting than a quadrillionth appeal to Orwell.

johannesrexx 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"The only thing I object to is the facebook association."

!!!Exactly!!!

If Apple comes up with smart glasses then user privacy will be job one. For meta it's all about collecting data to sell ads. Period.

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wolvoleo 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Eh remember when the vision pro came out and some idiots just had to wear them out on the street and in coffee shops? That was definitely not popular.

Cider9986 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The weird thing is not recording but secret recording.

Atheros 18 hours ago | parent [-]

There are other weird things. If these become widespread, meta will know and be able to sell (or turn over to the government) a list of everyone you spend time talking to in public and private. Cell phone companies only have low-resolution location information. Meta will know that you talked to Sarah for 288 seconds before handing her an envelope before she went to an abortion clinic.

HotGarbage 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

OK pervert

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Ekaros a day ago | parent | prev [-]

It is cool to be one using them. It is infinitely less cool to be one receiving it. Possibly everywhere consistently... Up your face possibly. Or your family members face...