| ▲ | Substack writers, you need a website(elizabethtai.com) |
| 61 points by speckx an hour ago | 52 comments |
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| ▲ | skippyfish 33 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| Counterpoint from someone who's been publishing on the internet for decades: no one will visit your website. It's as simple as that. You need a push mechanism to reach readers. RSS could be it, but it's too niche. Social media is kinda it, but algorithmic feeds reward political clickbait and just because someone clicks "follow" or "subscribe" is not a guarantee that they will ever see your posts. Substack gives you a way to push content to your subscribers without an intermediary deciding what they get to read. So no, there's no special value to having a website or syndicating across the web. There's a lot of value in backing up your Substack subscribers' emails so that you can move somewhere else down the line, and the nice thing about Substack is that they let you do that. If they stop, that's a trap. |
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| ▲ | billyp-rva 26 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > Substack gives you a way to push content to your subscribers without an intermediary deciding what they get to read. How do we know they won't start limiting your reach in the future? That's the path basically every other platform has gone down. | | |
| ▲ | Bratmon 20 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | The entire pitch of Substack is "You can export the email addresses of your current subscribers at any time" So if they stop doing the "email my subscribers whenever I post" step, another service will fill the gap pretty quick. | | |
| ▲ | rsingel 15 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Substack notes is non exportable; the newsletter now no longer have a link to read it on your site on substack and instead link to the substack app, and subscriptions started in the app pay Substack through Apple and Google and you can't export them. Substack has become a roach motel but they pretend otherwise | |
| ▲ | ImJamal 11 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If Substack stops supporting that feature you would end up losing all of your subscribers when you move to the alternative unless you happen to have an up to date export. | |
| ▲ | Forgeties79 15 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Until they make it more difficult to export lol that’s the real canary in the coal mine if you ask me. |
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| ▲ | carlosjobim 5 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | > How do we know they won't start limiting your reach in the future? You can never know anything about what anybody will do in the future? You can't. Why do hackers always use this argument against everything? |
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| ▲ | zahlman 10 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What if I want people to read me without needing a subscription or email disclosure? What's the email for anyway? So that you can get sent notifications of new posts? ... People read those kinds of emails? I always curse myself for finding a way to get them sent to myself, and file them away somewhere until I can figure out how to turn them off. | | |
| ▲ | goostavos 2 minutes ago | parent [-] | | ...I use email notifications. I follow very few people (fewer than 10), so I'm always happy when an email pops up letting me know they've written something. I don't pay attention to my RSS reader, and barely use social media. For whatever reason, email works for me. |
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| ▲ | game_the0ry 19 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > You need a push mechanism to reach readers. Ghost blog includes newsletter for push. | |
| ▲ | f311a 2 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > no one will visit your website. Yep, let's suppose an average HN user reads 30-100 article a month on independent websites (personal domains) posted on HN. Out of 100, he probably subscribes to 0-2 at best (via RSS/e-mail). Now, imagine, how many times you need to appear on HN to get your own audience. There is too much friction for a user to subscribe. Substack is similar to a social platform, people open it to read new articles in the similar way to HN and they can subscribe to anyone by pressing a single button. There is recommendation feed as well. | |
| ▲ | Topology1 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I feel like the transition from substack to website + newsletter wouldn't be terrible, although I'm sure your traffic would decrease after making the switch. | | |
| ▲ | cosmicgadget 15 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I miss the days when I'd regularly get forwards from friends about stuff they found on the internet. |
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| ▲ | yrds96 23 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Fediverse. We need to push Fediverse | |
| ▲ | efilife 7 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's addressed in the article | |
| ▲ | cosmicgadget 24 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I mean, can't you accomplish the same thing with "enter your email/social handle to be notified when I post something"? | | |
| ▲ | bonestamp2 21 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | For sure. I had a huge following on my wordpress blog 15 years ago and email was how everyone got notified of new content. I'm sure there's a way to at least do sms now if people want that level of notification. | |
| ▲ | ImJamal 4 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Most writers just want to write and don't want to start maintaining servers and databases to handle the collection and storing of emails. This is why they outsource that functionality to a service like Substack. |
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| ▲ | rusk 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I actively skip stuff that’s on substack just like I do medium and blogger. Maybe there’s good stuff on there but it’s usually a by-word for slop. I figure if anyone has anything that interesting to say they’d make the effort and put it up on something more serious looking. | | |
| ▲ | dpkirchner 21 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Me, too, but mainly because they pushed Nazi content to their users and rather than simply stop hosting that content they continue, proudly. | | |
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| ▲ | BorisMelnik 14 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | this tide will turn, and the day of reckoning is coming for AI slop and large domains owning the search results. small publishers are going to have their time very soon. |
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| ▲ | thataccount 16 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| As a writer who has been on the web for a long time, I no longer write much for the sake of the web. My personal website I took down this year because I didn't like the idea of AI snarfing up everything I wrote. I hate sites like Substack because they are a single point of failure that rely on partners like Stripe for any kind of financial linkage. While I don't write only for money, I certainly write with the idea of needing a certain amount of money to keep on writing. The internet just doesn't offer that kind of environment anymore in my opinion. I do like the Indie web, and to me, it is more just the way the internet was/has been/needs to be. What is missing are neutral kinds of payment layers/vendors that won't pull your funding if you say something someone somewhere doesn't like. |
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| ▲ | 01284a7e 11 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Same - I wrote on the web for 25 years (2000 to 2025). I can attribute hundreds of thousands of dollars of income to it. I no longer have any websites, as nothing came out of it for a couple years. ~90% of all my traffic ended up bots. And if you put up a website now (without existing backlinks, etc.) bots will be >99% of your traffic. |
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| ▲ | doublepg23 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I've always understood platforms like Substack or Patreon to really be a solution to the payment processing problem first and foremost. |
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| ▲ | t-writescode 24 minutes ago | parent [-] | | That’s exactly right. Finding ways to get paid for your work, and all the very complicated way taxes interact with it all, unless you’re going all-in on ads, is a messy problem that people will happily centralize for. And for the less technical people, we have 30+ years of solving this problem with different websites that each went in and out of vogue, from groceries and MySpace, through Facebook and now Medium and Substack. | | |
| ▲ | doublepg23 11 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I follow a very prolific open-source/FOSS podcasting network. All of their infrastructure from the very bottom to the very top is FOSS - except their membership program. It links to a third-party which processes payments compliantly. They've attempted a pivot to funding the network via BTC/Lightning but clearly that's polarizing to a lot of people even though it better aligns with their philosophy. |
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| ▲ | millipede 14 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Whenever I see Substack or Medium URLs, I avoid clicking them. They are so spammy with their call to subscribe, that it's not even worth me visiting them. People recognize quality, and they don't need to be pressured to subscribe. The websites I visit every day never asked me to come back. |
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| ▲ | 8organicbits 9 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The linked article "What I learned from one year of Substack" [1] perfectly sums up my experience. I can't read the article because I only see a coercive demand to subscribe first. Perhaps that's the joke. [1] https://elizabethtai.com/2023/10/22/what-i-learned-from-one-... |
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| ▲ | simonw 16 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm pretty happy with the way I've resolved this. I publish everything to my personal blog first, then once a week I copy and paste it all into a Substack newsletter. I get to use Substack for email distribution (which would cost me hundreds of dollars a month using most other solutions, I have 66,000 subscribers now) but my own blog stays the original point of truth. Here's the tool I use for the copy-pasting: https://tools.simonwillison.net/blog-to-newsletter Substack doesn't have an API for composing a newsletter, but their rich text editor DOES accept copy-pasted data - and copy-paste is the universal API. |
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| ▲ | rsingel 12 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | You could do the same thing through Ghost, which has an API, and not be using a service that proudly platforms the Tates and nazis. | |
| ▲ | cosmicgadget 4 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's sort of disgusting that inbox clutter from a publishing service is the dominant delivery paradigm as opposed to browsers natively checking bookmarked RSS feeds. |
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| ▲ | mertbio 36 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I recently started to write newsletters about Hamburg (https://alsterrunde.com). Before doing that I also considered Substack but seeing that I have to pay 50$ for just using my domain was a no-go. In the end, I ended up with my friend's hosted Ghost solution (https://www.synapsmedia.com). If you already have a Substack, you can also easily migrate to Ghost. Since it is open source, you can also host it on Hetzner, if you want to manage it yourself. |
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| ▲ | f311a 23 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Substack gives a really nice exposure though, unlike medium and other platforms. It's very hard to gain readers now on independent websites. Google search is dead (very few people now search for tech content), social media platforms penalize you for posting links and so on. You can get a few thousand subscribers on Substack just by being consistent and interacting with other people. Now try gaining 1000 subscribers to an e-mail newsletter or RSS from your personal blog. People who tried it know that 5,000 views on your blog can convert to a few subscribers, and you need to get those 5000 somehow first. A lot of people just repost their articles to substack for a reason. It's not forbidden. You can repost them from your personal blog. |
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| ▲ | rsingel 21 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Not true. Ghost sites grow quite well and much of Substack's network effects don't turn into real subscribers |
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| ▲ | firasd 15 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I think just the $5/mo or so for hosting a WordPress blog and then the $20/yr for a domain name is prohibitive for many people—-not necessarily financially but like ‘oh great now I gotta deal with this’. So that’s why Medium in the past and now Substack etc end up as fallbacks |
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| ▲ | pitchlatte 2 minutes ago | parent [-] | | given that wordpress.com is just managed hosting i wonder if other providers can bring that cost down. installing it yourself is trivial though because of Softaculous, and web hosting is much cheaper. |
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| ▲ | CM30 14 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yeah, even if the website itself gets less traffic than the places you syndicate the content to, it's at least a stable home base that's there if those platforms fall apart. Are you posting something that corporations or celebrities don't like/want to see shared? Then posting it on your own site means that the buck stops with you, and they'll have to force you to take it down in court rather than relying on advertiser pressure/'encouraging' the platform to ignore fair use. Did you do something controversial that means platforms don't want to deal with you or individuals want to ruin your life? Having your own site means you can generally tell them to pound sand. And there's no worries regarding things like forced logins, forced ads, obnoxious cookie banners (especially if you don't need to collect personal info anyway), age verification restrictions, etc. Plus there's just a level of control over the design and features that you can't get elsewhere. Want to make the site look completely unlike any other? It's 100% doable, as plenty of blogs posted here show very well. Want to add a new feature like polls or surveys or quizzes or interactive infographics or what not? You don't need a third party service or some premium account, you just add it yourself. Running a website is like owning a home rather than renting one. You decide what furniture, what colours, what utilities and service providers, whether you want pets, etc. |
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| ▲ | acmnrs 30 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Alternatively, use an open platform that doesn't lock you in: * Leaflet<https://leaflet.pub>
* Offprint<https://offprint.app>
* Pckt<https://pckt.blog>
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| ▲ | spelk 25 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I think from a technical perspective, newsletters are a solved problems with lots of options as you've mentioned. Substack thrives because it's built a reputation for having well-reasoned or engaging voices in a newsletter format. They pushed a big campaign to onboard writers like Bill Bishop (Sinocism) onto the platform early on. Because of that, newer writers are likely seeking to tap into the network effects/discovery systems that comes with having big names on the platform. | |
| ▲ | wuliwong 23 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | I get that we all want people to be on open platforms but I feel like the really staunch part of the open platforms only crowd is not taking the time to understand why people like platforms like substack. |
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| ▲ | dynm 34 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| For what it's worth, I have a markdown-based website with a domain I own, and I stubbornly link to that website only, treating substack as just a temporary distribution channel.[^1] And I am constantly, endlessly asking myself if all the extra friction I've added to my life is worth it. [^1]: I can't stand how slow and tracking-heavy substack is, but the problem of "send email and not get filtered as spam" is non-trivial. |
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| ▲ | spelk 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I am quite sad that Kagi Smallweb excludes Substack. I understand that less technical writers have started moving to Substack both to build an audience and have access to effective publishing tools, but it feels like I'm missing out on some really interesting new perspectives, similar to early Medium. |
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| ▲ | raincole 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Did we really learn nothing from Medium's situation? |
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| ▲ | josefritzishere 41 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| TLDR: POSSE: Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere. |
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| ▲ | pavlov 38 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Is there a guide for how to do the “syndicate elsewhere” part? For the HN audience, the first part is trivially easy (getting a domain, publishing on it) but the second probably isn’t obvious. | | |
| ▲ | cosmicgadget 30 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | There are guides but it amounts to "use popular services to link to your website". Post snippets on the bird apps, social media hellscapes, and aggregators like this one. Duplicate your content on the blogging services. Have an RSS feed and submit it to discovery engines and web directories/rings. Stickers are neat too. | |
| ▲ | dghlsakjg 28 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Depending on how often you write copy and paste to “elsewhere” is the easy answer. Substack really wants you to use them as a primary publisher so they don’t make it easy to programmatically put content up. Other platforms have varying levels of ease around this. |
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| ▲ | elgolem89 25 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] |
| who reads websites these days? |
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