One of the GrapheneOS people (I think) suggested keeping a bit of paper in your wallet with the duress pin, perhaps thinly disguised. Then the cops could try it on their own initiative. I suppose they'd become aware of that trick eventually, but then they wouldn't be able to use all those other genuine pins they find.

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Verdex 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is an interesting idea, but was that GrapheneOS person a lawyer giving legal advice?

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morkalork 13 hours ago | parent [-]

No, he wasn't, what is your point?

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Verdex an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Today we see someone being arrested because they used a software feature. Next year we'll see someone being arrested because they played a cutesy trick and got the LEO to enter in the self destruct code.

The engineers and techies involved have so far shown themselves to have poor intuition for understanding how the law is going to react. I think it behooves anyone still listening to their advice to also check in with someone who has a good intuition for how the law will react to this new idea.

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zarzavat 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's possible that could be destruction of evidence as well. Why should it matter whose meat sticks type in the decoy pin?

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MetaWhirledPeas 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Because one is a clear intent to mislead while the other has plausible deniability. "It was there in case of robbery."

	▲	mattstir 43 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		The prosecution would argue that you ought to have warned officers about the duress pin since this wasn't a robbery scenario.

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make3 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's harder for them to argue you were actively destroying evidence; you could say that you had written the wipe pin there for a legitimate use case like both your wallet and your phone get stolen

	▲	incompatible 8 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Makes sense, since you aren't using that pin every day and it would be easy to forget.

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refurb 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

A far better approach is for the US citizen to simply say "I chose not to provide my PIN".

The officer will say something like "That's your choice, but I will need to seize the device to conduct an analysis. It will be returned once the analysis is complete".

Then you shrug, and they will let you enter the US. The cops will try to get into the phone, fail, and return it to you.

Just bring a phone you don't mind losing for a few months.

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jeroenhd 9 hours ago | parent [-]

This person was under "investigation" for protesting against cop city. The authorities were waiting for him to turn up at a place where the law would give them more power.

They were never going to let him just walk in. Eventually, they'd have to, possibly after lawyers and news would get involved, but it's not like saying "no" was going to end the ordeal right away.

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refurb 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Maybe, but being detained for a couple hours is better than committing a felony, no?

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jeroenhd 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It depends on how "native" you look perhaps, but you can be detained for more than a week and a half if the border authorities don't like you: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/20/us-citizen-j...

Of course they shouldn't do that to US citizens, but they also shouldn't be targetting protestors they have a personal gripe with.

	▲	refurb 31 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		I mean the guy didn’t have proper documentation and admitted to illegally entering the US (not at a crossing I assume). It’s a completely different situation.

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LtWorf 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

A couple of hours sounds like you don't have any knowledge of how these things go.

	▲	refurb 30 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		As someone who immigrated to the US and has been detained in secondary inspection I can assure you I do have knowledge in this area.