Sample size of 1 here, but my inbox is absolutely overflowing with recruiters. Sample size of more than 1 - the SWE who were laid off recently from my company are finding new jobs quickly.

Certainly the job market is more brutal than it was during the covid mass hiring spree, but it doesn't seem any worse than historical average. My view is anecdotal but I haven't seen any real data on the other side of it either.

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pdimitar a day ago | parent | next [-]

Which business areas, programming languages / frameworks, which geo areas?

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consensus1 a day ago | parent [-]

US fintech. Language / framework agnostic.

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pdimitar a day ago | parent [-]

I imagine this comes with some credentialism and networking i.e. companies ask each other whether person X is good? If so, I can see how easily the current difficulties in the labor market can be overcome that way.

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consensus1 a day ago | parent [-]

I don't have a CS degree, and I am talking about inbound recruiter emails, so it's not credentialism or networking. I did get my current job via networking though, but networking in this industry isn't really any more than "I used to work with this guy and he is good so give him an interview."

	▲	pdimitar 14 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Yeah well, I don't even have that last part so great that you have it. I am sure it helps quite a bit.

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Brotkrumen a day ago | parent | prev [-]

More anecdata, but around me, the opportunities for recent grads and self-taughts are less than try were.

If I was to bet, it seems that tasks that were given to new hires are now done by senior engineers and a prompt.

A collegue claims that the difference between an MBA and a mediocre compsci grad have disappeared due to vibe coding, so the compscis grads feel the job market is tougher because of increased competition.

All I know is that it's super hard to get junior devs to not be junior anymore because they don't have the opportunity anymore to learn on easy tasks.

	▲	alephnerd a day ago \| parent [-]
		> the opportunities for recent grads and self-taughts are less than try were. It's also becuase the T20 CS/CE/ECE/EECS programs now graduate around 15-20K students a year. If you don't attend a target you are going to have a hard time landing a job. If you didn't do CS/CE/EE/ECE/EECS at MIT, CMU, Stanford, Cal, UIUC, GT, UT Austin, Purdue, UW, UCLA, UCSD, Ivies, UChicago, NYU, UNC Chapel Hill, Duke, USC, UMinn, UMich, the Military academies or you weren't a Vet, it's hard to justify hiring. Throw in 1-2 well regarded regional schools in the mix and that becomes your entire hiring pipeline. Geography also plays a role - early career remote work is over. You will have to start your career in the Bay or NYC, and maybe Austin and Seattle.