| ▲ | hypfer 6 hours ago |
| I think more precise terminology would go a long way here. What is "a fascist" (in context of being labelled that on the interwebs). That could mean a lot of things. As a reader, you learn basically nothing about DHH other than that some people might not like him. ___ So to fix that: DHH has always been a very opinionated guy - with not all of those being agreed on, but there being usually some kind of point to them. Starting somewhere late-ish last year, however, he seems to have dropped deep through the alt-right pipeline and started babbling talking points basically copy-pasted as-is from other talking heads. So, in essence, he kinda stopped being opinionated, because that would require having an own opinion, and instead started just being yet another person not doing all too well mentally on the internet. I mean the guy suddenly started talking about "body counts". What's his age again? __ Of course, moral outrage happened but achieved absolutely nothing, because it's not the right tool for the job here. |
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| ▲ | graemep 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| He is simply racist. I do not disagree with what your said, but I think it just boils down to that. |
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| ▲ | hypfer 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Fix to what? Sorry to say, but that word probably has an equally low impact on regular people by now.
Worse if we look at what people actually think/vote/etc. People by now at large seem to be rather fine with both being called racist or just.. well.. being racist. We do not actually want that, because (big surprise upcoming) racism is bad.
But I think we might need to remind people why that whole cluster of ideas is bad. This shouldn't be too hard, given that it's objectively worse in many many aspects, but for that to be seen, I suppose we need to point out what makes it objectively worse. The shorthand is unfortunately dead and got killed by twitter dot com. __ How that could be done is how I've demonstrated before you've regrettably dismissed it and tried returning to the shorthand | | |
| ▲ | graemep 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | I edited my wording before I saw your reply to take the word fix out. > People by now at large seem to be rather fine with both being called racist or just.. well.. being racist. I disagree. I do not get that feel at all in real life (in the UK, BTW). On Facebook you get that feel because it is full of ragebait and attracts nutters. There are some people like that, but most people would be deeply ashamed to think themselves racist or be thought racist. Edit, to add: DHH also seems to have a weird obsession with the UK. At least two of his racist blog posts about the UK. His first racist post that I was aware off is essentially "two many non-white people in London". | | |
| ▲ | hypfer 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Hm. I mean I would wish that your observation is correct, but I kinda doubt it. Doesn't match what I am seeing outside of the Internet. But, regardless of that, I still believe that shorthand terms and indirection are a less clean solution, and, if possible, the cleaner one with less dependencies should be used. | | |
| ▲ | graemep 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Doesn't match what I am seeing outside of the Internet. Where are you? It makes a big difference. I am talking primarily about the UK, where I have lived in different areas and know a variety of people in many different places. It is, in my experience, a society where racism is relatively rare: https://pietersz.co.uk/2023/08/racism-culture-different | | |
| ▲ | hypfer 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Uuuh idk man. I'm just seeing this stuff. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_Kingdom_riots https://www.dw.com/en/racist-riots-break-out-across-united-k... But glad to learn that there is actually nothing to worry about I guess. | | |
| ▲ | graemep an hour ago | parent [-] | | I would not say there is nothing to worry about - I find the riots nasty and definitely worrying. There is definitely greater hostility towards certain groups: asylum seekers and Muslims for a variety of reasons. There are lots of complexities about this, and some genuine issues too that have not been dealt with, which creates an opportunity racists exploit. However, I think its very much a minority view. Even Tommy Robinson's "Unite The Kingdom" protest which DHH blogged about and Musk backed etc. and was supposed to be the far right's big show of support was much smaller than many other protests for many other causes over the years (for and against Brexit, Gaza, etc.) in recent years. I also think it likely even a lot of those who joined the protest have far narrower causes (e.g. anti-illegal immigration) than being fully alt-right. | | |
| ▲ | hypfer 7 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Yes, yes, but you see, it's also an arsonist right-wing mob running amok in the real world. Repeatedly! I mean I get it. This is terrifying. But that's exactly my point. |
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| ▲ | inigyou 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Nothing on this list screams explicitly nazi to me, but this is a long list for things that are believed mostly by neo-nazis. Like heavily complaining that London isn't racillly pure enough. And supporting a prominent political figure who believes every Muslim is a terrorist. And complaining about "woke" all the time. so it depends if you believe that everyone who supported the nazi party was a nazi, or only the people who actually did the holocaust. https://blogs.gnome.org/alatiera/2025/11/06/dhh-and-omarchy-... https://jakelazaroff.com/words/dhh-is-way-worse-than-i-thoug... |
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| ▲ | rightbyte 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| One could argue that fascist run FOSS projects might be working against your interest as a user. Fascist is not just a silly label. The political collapse of neoliberalism made a lot of closet fascists emerge and they seem quite common among what was earlier thought of as "techno libertarians". E.g. the VPN provider owner (forgot which) just lately. If there was too much crying wolf 15 years ago, doesn't really matter now anyways. |
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| ▲ | hypfer 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > One could argue that fascist run FOSS projects might be working against your interest as a user. I guess so, but that's abstract and hard to grasp for most people. "The guy has clearly lost it and thus is probably not making sensible decisions" otoh is pretty easy to understand, signals effectively the same and side-steps basically all the drama. | | |
| ▲ | rightbyte 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Sure. You need to relate to the overton window to not seem like a tinfoil hat alarmist hysteric to normal people. I can agree on that. It is really hard to keep your cool. | |
| ▲ | markovs_gun 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > "The guy has clearly lost it and thus is probably not making sensible decisions" That isn't the problem though. Fascism isn't mental instability, it's an ideology. Someone going off the deep end and making bad decisions does so essentially at random, while someone driven by ideology messes things up in very specific ways. In the case of Fascist ideology, the specific ways they ruin things are specifically intended to harm specific groups of people, so I think the distinction matters. Writing it off as the guy having "lost it" obscures the specific goal he is working towards. | | |
| ▲ | hypfer 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Dude I am trying _so hard_ to hammer the point home that no one cares anymore about all this twitter virtue signalling stuff. Can we please stop and start doing _effective_ stuff before we actually all get right-wing ruling parties? __ My god. Third person to try to pull everything back to the thing that is proven to not work _at all_ against the current threat.
Are you even real? Is this just agentic AI? I'm going to force myself to stop replying now before I start just degrading into agonizing screaming. break; | | |
| ▲ | fwip 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think this might be a case of "speak for yourself." Plenty of people don't want to support fascists. | | |
| ▲ | hypfer 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Okay, no agentic LLM on the planet would suffer from reading comprehension this bad. So thanks, I guess. Thanks for the proof of humanity. At what cost though. | | |
| ▲ | fwip 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm a different person (or at least, user account) than the other one you were talking to. So I suppose they could be AI. |
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| ▲ | inigyou 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It was one of the Mullvad owners. We should probably ask ourselves why there aren't more Mullvads. I think the answer is twofold - first, developers can't business, and second, running something like that carries massive political risk which that type of person is more willing to shoulder. If one doesn't feel afraid to help found a Nazi party they sure won't be afraid to run a VPN service. | |
| ▲ | watwut 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >,If there was too much crying wolf 15 years ago, doesn't really matter now anyways. There was not. I used to think they are crying wolf, but imo, it turned out they were correct all along. They were paying attention to what these people were saying and doing. They then concluded these people are fascists. Then a bunch of us, not paying attention crowd, came in accused them of crying wolf. Maybe, crying wolf is about a boy who sees a wolf, causes commotion and protects the village. Then they dont feel like going in one time, wolfs eats them. But, village just wont admit they were obviously wrong and blames the boy. |
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| ▲ | omnimus 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| To be fair DHH became exceedingly unhinged. For example in his latest blog post he first describes problem of growing populations of wolves that are killing sheep and cannot be shot because they are protected by the state. And then starts to compare the situation with danish gypsies (Romani) in danish cities. That's as close to fascism as you can get... it's pretty out there on the edge of legality. I mean I used to respect his (at the time mainly technical) takes and I recommended Basecamp to so many organizations. How has this table turned so much I have no idea. |
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| ▲ | graemep 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I went to his blog to have a look at his racist posts, and that (which is the last post on his site) is more unhinged than his previous posts. A definitely trend of getting worse. |
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| ▲ | Brian_K_White 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| They are commenting on Omarchy, not DHH other than as relates to Omarchy.
They also didn't recite a wikipedia entry to define what Arch is, or linux, or what distribution means. |
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| ▲ | watwut 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I dont think "fascist" and "been a very opinionated guy" are mutually replacable. In fact, insistence on euphemisms like that harmed the discussion a lot and overall culture a lot. |
