Fix to what?

Sorry to say, but that word probably has an equally low impact on regular people by now. Worse if we look at what people actually think/vote/etc.

People by now at large seem to be rather fine with both being called racist or just.. well.. being racist.

We do not actually want that, because (big surprise upcoming) racism is bad. But I think we might need to remind people why that whole cluster of ideas is bad.

This shouldn't be too hard, given that it's objectively worse in many many aspects, but for that to be seen, I suppose we need to point out what makes it objectively worse.

The shorthand is unfortunately dead and got killed by twitter dot com.

How that could be done is how I've demonstrated before you've regrettably dismissed it and tried returning to the shorthand

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graemep 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I edited my wording before I saw your reply to take the word fix out.

> People by now at large seem to be rather fine with both being called racist or just.. well.. being racist.

I disagree. I do not get that feel at all in real life (in the UK, BTW). On Facebook you get that feel because it is full of ragebait and attracts nutters.

There are some people like that, but most people would be deeply ashamed to think themselves racist or be thought racist.

Edit, to add: DHH also seems to have a weird obsession with the UK. At least two of his racist blog posts about the UK. His first racist post that I was aware off is essentially "two many non-white people in London".

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hypfer 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Hm. I mean I would wish that your observation is correct, but I kinda doubt it.

Doesn't match what I am seeing outside of the Internet.

But, regardless of that, I still believe that shorthand terms and indirection are a less clean solution, and, if possible, the cleaner one with less dependencies should be used.

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graemep 5 hours ago | parent [-]

> Doesn't match what I am seeing outside of the Internet.

Where are you? It makes a big difference. I am talking primarily about the UK, where I have lived in different areas and know a variety of people in many different places. It is, in my experience, a society where racism is relatively rare: https://pietersz.co.uk/2023/08/racism-culture-different

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hypfer 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Uuuh idk man. I'm just seeing this stuff.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_Kingdom_riots

https://www.dw.com/en/racist-riots-break-out-across-united-k...

But glad to learn that there is actually nothing to worry about I guess.

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graemep an hour ago | parent [-]

I would not say there is nothing to worry about - I find the riots nasty and definitely worrying. There is definitely greater hostility towards certain groups: asylum seekers and Muslims for a variety of reasons. There are lots of complexities about this, and some genuine issues too that have not been dealt with, which creates an opportunity racists exploit.

However, I think its very much a minority view. Even Tommy Robinson's "Unite The Kingdom" protest which DHH blogged about and Musk backed etc. and was supposed to be the far right's big show of support was much smaller than many other protests for many other causes over the years (for and against Brexit, Gaza, etc.) in recent years. I also think it likely even a lot of those who joined the protest have far narrower causes (e.g. anti-illegal immigration) than being fully alt-right.

	▲	hypfer 7 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Yes, yes, but you see, it's also an arsonist right-wing mob running amok in the real world. Repeatedly! I mean I get it. This is terrifying. But that's exactly my point.