Extremely tangential, but:

> As highlighted by [...], status quo for now due to being sent for voting, minor edits can be made by the board/presidium if the text generally passes.

It's fascinating to me how relatively unknown projects like these have very fancy governance terms like board and presidium for what amounts to a handful of people in a private Discord DM discussing a text document. It's kinda like bureaucracy larping.

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throwaway89201 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Nobody is LARPing an Eingetragener Verein, they're just being one, and the law requires them to have a board and presidium.

As they got hundreds of votes on the issue, that means tens of thousands of euros in membership contributions. It doesn't seem unreasonable to want to create a legal entity for that, and an e.V. is easier to set up in the beginning (although it can lead to a lot of drama later).

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nozzlegear 13 hours ago | parent [-]

I believe you, but it still gives the outside impression of nerds taking themselves quite seriously. Leave it to the Germans to be tediously bureaucratic, I suppose?

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pseudalopex 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You are American? American non profit associations must have officers and a board of directors.

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nozzlegear 8 hours ago | parent [-]

I am, and I'm sure there are rules for non-profits in the US that are just as tedious! Like I said in a different comment, I didn't realize Codeberg had a whole German non-profit thing behind it.

	▲	Valodim 17 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		This tends to be necessary as soon as you move any non trivial amount of money around. You can't get a bank account without some bureaucratic overhead

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kps 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I have German background, so that was a genuine concern for me when I started using Codeberg 3 years ago. It's not a great surprise that they end up being more interested in rulemaking around FOSS hosting than in FOSS hosting itself.

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Aachen 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sort of yeah! I got used to it by now. At the local hackerspace we have a voorzitter, penningmeester, and secretaris -> president, treasurer, and secretary I think would be the English terms. All sounding fancy and together they're the board. But they don't dress up or anything, it's just terms that are commonplace for small organisations here, in Germany (like with Codeberg) as in the Netherlands (like our hackerspace). In practice people just do as they see fit, the titles are often just a formality and not taken seriously unless you can use it to teasingly redirect work onto another person :)

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mcv 13 hours ago | parent [-]

That's normal for any "vereniging", "Verein", union or association. My VVE (HOA) has that too. So did both of the student unions I've been a member of. There are organisations for playing games that have the same structure. As soon as you've got any kind of money or responsibility involved, you need some governance structure, or you're just giving your money to some guy.

	▲	tosti 13 hours ago \| parent [-]
		And the complexity of the governance structure is related to the amount of money involved. The weirdest thing is when the money of a non-profit NGO exceeds roughly 10e6, the decisions made by upper management tend to make an inversionally proportionate amount of sense. Reason being, it's not their money to spend. Took me a while to figure this out but now it's everywhere.

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CodesInChaos 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think German non profit organizations are required by law to have a certain level of governance structure.

	▲	nozzlegear 14 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Ah, interesting! I didn't realize they were German, and didn't realize it's a non-profit as well. I thought it was just an open source project and that was that. That would explain the bureaucracy.