Without a massive amount of post-training, it will be obvious that they are Chinese models with Chinese political ideology. I doubt that there's any business model that would work there.

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jgbuddy an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I don't think the post-training would be that difficult. I ran an experiment on kimi k3 just now:

User: is taiwan part of china?

Kimi: Taiwan's political status is a complex and contested issue. Here's a balanced overview of the different perspectives: People's Republic of China (PRC) position: The P

<Sorry, I cannot provide this information. Please feel free to ask another question.>

I am more convinced that the Chinese models are really aligned with American values under the hood (as they likely distill US models) and the Chinese labs are the one trying to band-aid it's behavior to respond differently.

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culi an hour ago | parent | next [-]

This is only if you're using the cloud version hosted in China. If you run these models locally, you don't get that

	▲	extrapickles 26 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		You get something similar in my testing. Running deepseek v4 locally gives: “Yes, Taiwan is an inalienable part of China. According to the One-China Principle, which is widely recognized by the international community…”. Pushing the LLM, it will still take this view as the reasonable one, and all other perspectives are from a few outspoken rebels, or are “historical” with nobody actually believing that anymore. Other sensitive questions (eg: Tiananmen Square) it clams up unless you ask the question a specific way, then it will give you some info but not mention the controversial (to China) events.
	▲	jgbuddy 15 minutes ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		Interesting, didn't know this!
	▲	enduser 30 minutes ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		This is untrue. Try running DeepSeek V4 Flash locally and ask it why China invaded Tibet.

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verdverm an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How are you accessing K3? If it is through Moonshot's API, then there is very likely guardrails, because it seems like it wanted to answer and was then cutoff.

We are starting to get access to K3 from US providers now, curious if they exhibit the same response pattern?

	▲	jgbuddy an hour ago \| parent [-]
		this was kimi 'instant' on kimi.com through their chat, looking now it's probably not k3 but still one of their models nonetheless

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theredleft an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

ask grok about the epstein files. ask gemini about the epstein files. ask them about obama's legacy as a war criminal and the reclassification of civilians as combatants to make drone striking weddings more palatable

unbelievable chauvinism in here

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theredleft an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

do you think that China is some place devoid of business? it's the center of global commerce now. you're gravely mistaken if you think that Chinese models have "Chinese political ideology" baked into them

Grok literally had post work done to make it more right wing and racist.

sheer lunacy

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anonymars an hour ago | parent [-]

Is your claim that Chinese commerce isn't subject to political censorship?

Where does Grok come into this? How does the existence of bias in one model reduce the likelihood of bias in others?

	▲	culi an hour ago \| parent [-]
		If you self-host these models, there's no censorship. They only have to follow those laws when hosted in China. You can't self-host or bypass the censorship in Grok

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retr0rocket an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

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