I don't think the post-training would be that difficult. I ran an experiment on kimi k3 just now:

User: is taiwan part of china?

Kimi: Taiwan's political status is a complex and contested issue. Here's a balanced overview of the different perspectives: People's Republic of China (PRC) position: The P

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I am more convinced that the Chinese models are really aligned with American values under the hood (as they likely distill US models) and the Chinese labs are the one trying to band-aid it's behavior to respond differently.

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culi an hour ago | parent | next [-]

This is only if you're using the cloud version hosted in China. If you run these models locally, you don't get that

	▲	extrapickles 28 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		You get something similar in my testing. Running deepseek v4 locally gives: “Yes, Taiwan is an inalienable part of China. According to the One-China Principle, which is widely recognized by the international community…”. Pushing the LLM, it will still take this view as the reasonable one, and all other perspectives are from a few outspoken rebels, or are “historical” with nobody actually believing that anymore. Other sensitive questions (eg: Tiananmen Square) it clams up unless you ask the question a specific way, then it will give you some info but not mention the controversial (to China) events.
	▲	enduser 32 minutes ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		This is untrue. Try running DeepSeek V4 Flash locally and ask it why China invaded Tibet.
	▲	jgbuddy 17 minutes ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Interesting, didn't know this!

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verdverm an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How are you accessing K3? If it is through Moonshot's API, then there is very likely guardrails, because it seems like it wanted to answer and was then cutoff.

We are starting to get access to K3 from US providers now, curious if they exhibit the same response pattern?

	▲	jgbuddy an hour ago \| parent [-]
		this was kimi 'instant' on kimi.com through their chat, looking now it's probably not k3 but still one of their models nonetheless

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theredleft an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

ask grok about the epstein files. ask gemini about the epstein files. ask them about obama's legacy as a war criminal and the reclassification of civilians as combatants to make drone striking weddings more palatable

unbelievable chauvinism in here