| ▲ | shipman05 2 hours ago | ||||||||||||||||
I'm dismayed by the current political discourse on this topic. Seems like the two camps are 1) let mega corps build data centers with impunity or 2) use NIMBY tactics to oppose them in all cases. I want to see a pro-growth approach that makes the mega corps assume the costs of their negative externalities. I want to see an increased build out of renewable and nuclear energy sources. I want to see environmental protections in place to limit impacts on aquifers and other water sources. Democracies don't handle nuance well. | |||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | palmotea 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||
I am pro-AI datacenters. I just think they should all be built in Atherton and the Hamptons, with the stipulation they're only allowed to be built adjacent to the most expensive residential property in the area, in the way of its most impressive view. | |||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | thegrim33 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||
It's less a fault of "democracy" and more a fault of partisan extremism where all dimensionality and nuance is removed, it's intentionally made into an "us" vs "them" issue with only two extreme sides, where either you're fully with "us" and everything we believe, or you're evil/horrible/etc. If you dare to fall in the middle somewhere, that's not allowed by the extremists on one side; you're lumped in with and seen as no different than the opposite extreme. | |||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | reticulates 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||
Democracy isn't to blame, capitalism is. The mega corps have every incentive to dodge the costs of their negative externalities and they have them money to lobby for that. The "reasonable" citizen supporting growth with caveats will be drowned out by the mega corp and their mega wallets. The loud NIMBYs are the only group that have any chance of stopping the negative externalities which they achieve by blocking the growth. Your enemy isn't the NIMBY, your enemy is the mega corp, the NIMBY is your ally, they are the backstop. | |||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | barbazoo 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||
> the two camps are Or are those just the two ends of the spectrum? I don't know anyone on either extreme of the spectrum. | |||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | jjulius 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||
>Democracies don't handle nuance well. Especially when modern discourse revolves around 140-character hot takes. | |||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | runarberg 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||
One of the camps has all the money, hold all the power, and does indeed behave with impunity. The other camp has no power, has no way to affect anything, holds no political relevance, and NIMBY tactics is one of very few ways they can even hope to have at least some tiny chance of a minor change in their favor. I think it does the discourse a disservice to take these two as equal. | |||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | fellowmartian 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||
There’s the pro-growth Abundance faction, but they’re captured by special interests, so they’re predictably advocating for supply-side YIMBYism and relaxed regulation, without addressing the political economy that led us to the current situation. | |||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | bakies 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | ||||||||||||||||
Seriously, it can't be that hard to build a datacenter and not piss people off. The economics demanded scale so fast that the capitalists don't care enough to thoughtfully plan this stuff out. | |||||||||||||||||
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