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cvoss 3 hours ago

The technology held by private AI companies is warfare-capable technology. Imagine the prompt: "Use all available resources to disable the power grid of <COUNTRY>." The resource cost that prevents scaling up such a war machine is, what, just the cost of building data centers and its ongoing power bill? Cheap and easy compared to nuclear infrastructure.

Governments should immediately begin leveraging this technology on the defense side (literally defense, not euphemistically "defense") to harden critical infrastructure. Turn the prompts around and use it to identify and correct weaknesses.

Governments should also take very seriously their now moral obligation to treat this technology not just as "a powerful thing that might be abused" but as an actual weapon of war in need of international regulation analogous to nuclear arms. Fast but careful and forward-thinking work in legislation and treaties needs to be a top priority for all major governments.

derangedHorse 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> "Use all available resources to disable the power grid of <COUNTRY>."

This is like telling a team of highly qualified spies to do the same. You can ask, but whether it will succeed depends on the competency of those who established the infrastructure under attack. Sometimes the resources spent will not yield any huge vulnerabilities.

> Governments should immediately begin leveraging this technology on the defense side (literally defense, not euphemistically "defense") to harden critical infrastructure. Turn the prompts around and use it to identify and correct weaknesses.

Most governments divisions can't even be bothered to update their websites. Testing and forcing a change in their internal procedures for the sake of security seems unlikely.

> as an actual weapon of war in need of international regulation analogous to nuclear arms

This, to me, is an overreaction. Intelligence shouldn't be seen as threat. It should be seen as an opportunity for growth in all areas.

Over-regulating AI wouldn't be the equivalent of limiting nuclear arms. With your analogy, which I don't think is the best one to make, it would be like regulating the study of nuclear physics.

drivebyhooting 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You’re taking a dim view on the government.

Is the government always the most efficient or intelligent? No. But the government can also build nukes, launch ICBMs, coordinate hundreds of spy satellites, etc. I count those capabilities as pretty smart.

boothby 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> You can ask, but whether it will succeed depends on the competency of those who established the infrastructure under attack.

Consider that "available resources" may include the training of models and harnesses used by the developers working for governments and private corps maintaining that very infrastructure. This decade's take on trusting trust is very hot.

sebastiennight 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Over-regulating AI wouldn't be the equivalent of limiting nuclear arms. With your analogy, which I don't think is the best one to make, it would be like regulating the study of nuclear physics.

We do, I believe, regulate uranium enrichment (the equivalent on building larger SOTA models), so while you are perfectly free to study theoretical physics and even run very large collider experiments (the equivalent of improving RLHF with DPO), it is generally frowned upon to go full Edward Teller and advocate for scientific experiments requiring detonating thermonuclear weapons in hurricane clouds (the equivalent of, well, see OP).

JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think the point is in a world with internet-connected infrastructure, such a prompt has a decent likelihood of causing damage.

torginus 2 hours ago | parent [-]

And the sad thing is, most things that are on the internet, but really shouldn't be are there for some really banal and sad reason. Like a random startup pushing 'big data is the future' narrative a decade-ish ago (the benefits of which are of course tremendous, but unspecified), or people trying to buy or sell or resell data, and trick or pressing companies and people into opting into could-connected surveillance and control.

insane_dreamer an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> it would be like regulating the study of nuclear physics

not sure I agree

controlling the study of new AI model/inference algorithms would be akin to regulating the study of nuclear physics; regulating the _release_ of AI models with those capabilities would be akin to regulating uranium enrichment which allows you to put the theoretical physics to use

DiscourseFan an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I believe the Russians and Chinese recognized this years ago, which is why they are using their propaganda machines to make Americans hate datacenters.

1659447091 a minute ago | parent | next [-]

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quentindanjou 22 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is there a source? Or is that xenophobia?

verdverm 6 minutes ago | parent [-]

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/09/business/china-russia-ai-...

https://archive.ph/yAvgz

There is no doubt an amount of xeno/sinophobia is at play as well. Russia is still killing innocent people in an illegal invasion of Ukraine, they earned their keep

dualvariable 18 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

American Capitalists don't really need any help there; they're making Americans hate Data Centers all on their own.

dualvariable 21 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I wonder how long it takes before someone instructs an LLM to design and launch a "Morris Worm 2.0" and cripple the Internet for a good while. Might even wind up happening by accident (again).

ActorNightly 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>The technology held by private AI companies is warfare-capable technology.

This is the precisely the response OpenAI is hoping for to raise its valuation, and you fell for it.

Look at it this way - whats the difference between tasking AI to break into something, versus taking a whole bunch of smart humans to do the same? The only difference is that AI is slightly easier to orchestrate.

Prior to AI, there were already a whole bunch of tools to automate exploits. Nothing that the model did is groundbreaking or novel, it was just able to efficiently find the thing that worked. Same thing happens in state sponsored cyber sec agencies like in China or Israel - they train people on the most common exploits and have a whole bunch of tools that automate exploit research and development.

And the reason why this doesn't happen more is because to exploit something is one thing, to do it so there is no trace back to you is a whole different animal that has many more magnitudes of difficulty, which with modern web security is next to impossible in a lot of cases as traffic can easily be traced back to the point of origin.

I.e when a company trains an LLM that manages to build a drone that can fly into a vent and plug in a USB stick into a computer undetected, then we can make the claim that they have a weapon.

On the flip side, most anyone who can run local models can replicate what they did. The key thing to take away from the article is "agentic framework" - i.e this means that they spent a shitload of time developing explicitly coded loops for an LLM to go through. Nothing is really stopping you from doing the same, models like Gemma4 can take 256k tokens of context, so you can give it a whole bunch of info on how to test for exploits, develop exploits, and what to do when the exploit is found, and set it free in a custom designed loop.

notaharvardmba an hour ago | parent | next [-]

It lowers the economic cost of a given attack, but also lowers the economic cost of protection. Not sure if it’ll be a perfect balance, but right now there’s a manufactured IMbalance due to embargos and winner picking.

ActorNightly 17 minutes ago | parent [-]

It lowers the economic cost of performing an attack in the same way a gun lowers the economic cost of killing a person. It does nothing for consequences of that attack.

jvidalv an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Are you serious? Before LLM’s you needed serious skills and experience to pull this off.

Now it’s a prompt away on some terminal done by any random dud.

And I dont mention the velocity of iteration or that they will be even better in 1 year.

ActorNightly 21 minutes ago | parent [-]

Its like you don't even read the post or the content.

Hint: agentic loops.

No its not a prompt away.

allenleee an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

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